Patch 4.0.6 Notes Update - January 11

Originally Posted by Difuid

You have the option to choose difficulty setting with the Heroic or Normal mode of the dungeons. Now you want Heroics to be like Normal mode with improved loot, so tell me who are forcing their play style on others ?

Thats not really the point. Being in a queue for 40 mins, only to get SFK and the whole group falls apart on Ashbury after 1 wipe. Great, almost an hour of my life gone and what epic loot do I have .... nothing. You cant /vote kick a whole group that: a) all left or b) didnt interupt his mend rotton flesh.

im very sad about the heroic nerfs... this wasnt necessary

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Sure, you can't force your gamestyle on other players, but to get improved loot, you can't be just casual. Extra effort should equal rewards. Heroics are SUPPOSED to be a lot tougher than normal dungeons, so why nerf that heroic part of them? If people can't do it, well, don't let them. If they don't have the IQ or haven't prepared enough beforehand, by reading tactics or so, they don't deserve that phat lewt. Not until they learn how to play properly.

It's not that I think it's that bad that they nerf the heroics, but...

They make this long blue wall of text stating how they like heroics to be hard and think they are good the way they are right now and then... they nerf them?

Originally Posted by Boubouille

Restoration
[list][*]Empowered Touch now also affects Regrowth. In addition, after Tree of Life is no longer active, this talent will only refresh the most recently cast or refreshed Lifebloom, and will not refresh other copies of Lifebloom.[*]Natural Shapeshifter has been reduced to a 3/6-second increase to Tree of Life's duration, down from 5/10.[*]Symbiosis (Mastery) benefit from mastery increased by approximately 16%.[*]Tree of Life no longer grants immunity to Polymorph. In addition, its duration has been reduced to 25 seconds, down from 30.[*]Wild Growth healing has been increased by 30%, and the cooldown has been reduced to 8 seconds, down from 10.
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I think someone high up in blizzard has a son that plays wow...

Another druid buff :'(

Beauty nerf?

Mend Rotten Flesh? The only thing that made the encounter slightly hard?


Disappointed

Originally Posted by Nephyron

Druids are asking since 5 years a stupid damned defensive cooldown

Warlocks have 20% reduction al the time, priests even more mages have tons of escape abilities + bubbles, warlocks have teleport
Boomkins have only Bark Skin (i can't even read anymore "cannot be dispelled" in the patch notes) and now they take away instant roots?

Because Warlocks dismount, put up the portal, mount back up, move 30 yards, and then put up a new portal. (not being in an arena that is.) Yep.

Improved gear and better knowledge of the bosses was always going to make the heroics easy pretty fast. If you are dreaming of difficult heroics that ship has already sailed. The cata launch heroics are not - and never again will be - difficult. Much of the initial difficulty was artificially created by healers coming to grips with the healing changes. Once healers generally realised that they didn't need to keep people (not even the tank) topped up and that brought their mana usage under control the difficulty fell off very substantially. Similarly tanks (and DPSers) had to become much more proactive with their defensive cooldowns.

What does puzzle me though is the statement that they want the heroics to remain equally difficult when so many of the encounters are designed with making their diffficulty obsolete in mind. Look for example at most of the one shot mechanics, they mostly do 120-150k damage which very soon won't be one shotting people at all. It can't be accidental that many of those effects do an amount of damage that is only marginally higher than the health people have already. Once most people have enough health to survive those hits those encounters will become incredibly easy.

I put in a post a long while back:

There are an awful lot of things that add to the percieved difficulty of an unfamiliar instance.

You don't know which enemy spells can be ignored and which need to be interrupted so the dangerous ones do a lot of damage.
You don't know which mobs will run to the tank and which ones will stand still and cast meaning there will be a tendency for the tank to leave one stray ranged mob when once he knows the instance he will pick it up immediately.
You don't know which mobs spawn adds so the tank will often not have an AoE ability ready to pick them up when they appear.
You don't know which mobs heal / dispel / fear / cc people / randomly target etc meaning any that do tend to be very effective.
You don't know what the patrol routes are so you tend to aggro adds a lot more than you will in a familiar instance.
You don't know what the boss abilities are so you will wipe a lot on things that should be avoided / interrupted / otherwise prevented.
The healers don't know the damage profile of the fights, they dont know which are the high damage parts and which are low damage parts, if they guess low when its high the tank dies, if they guess high when its low the healer goes oom.

All of this is already resolved. With it, most of the difficulty is already gone and never coming back. Every day, from now on, the cata heroics will be easier than they were the day before. Railing against this is a waste of time. Even if you wanted to you couldn't do heroics as hard as they were in the first week of launch, peoples knowledge of the fights is what is trivialising them and that is as it should be. In the short time since launch week the average length of my PUG heroics has dropped from 2-3 hours each to under an hour each. This means they are already about half to one third of the difficulty they were to begin with and all due to people having better gear and knowing the fights and that is in just over a month! To even think that slight changes to the mechanics of a few of the bosses will come anywhere close to matching the huge trivialisation effect of gear and knowledge should be considered a sign of insanity as it misses the truth of the matter by such a wide margin that no rational person could justify the notion.

hunter nerfs sucks ...

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Mind Sear can now be channeled on friendly targets in addition to enemy targets. In addition, Mind Sear's damage has been increased by roughly 15%

OMG OMG OMG :Q

But looking at the 5 Man nerfs, this is a VERY sad day

Originally Posted by dubbz

WAIT...they are buffing resto shamans? I thought Blizz had forgotten they even existed. This could be good

Buffed for pve, yes. Buffed for pvp, no.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Sadly, in his hubris he has forgotten how to Mend Rotten Flesh.

Interrupting that was hard, the first time I was in SFK hc. I can only be glad that I got to see all the heroics before the nerfbat hit them.

Originally Posted by Vehemence

fucking bleeding hearts win again

can someone on the PTR confirm if they have changed all the mangle-sound effects into their MPQ. files?

Quoted for importance.

# The PvP warrior 4-piece set bonus has been redesigned. It now reduces disarm duration by 60% (does not stack with any Weapon Chains). lolwut????

Hmmm just read the notes here and on the official site. They are intirely different. I don tlike the patch notes on mmo but those on teh official site is fine. Why are they different:? Maybe im stupid. But just wondered about it as on mmo its a blue post.

"They're nerfing the really difficult ones"

Except none of them were difficult to begin with.

HCs nerfs? Why? It was fine... At start of Cata it was best. Hard HCs, you couldnt do them with LFD tool. Only with your guild. And nowadays its easy with LFD. I am tank in off spec and I even dont use CC it become "one big pull from start to end" same as in WotLK (why they are so easy with ilvl 346? They should be easy with ilvl 372++). And now nerf them? Sry, but I will cancel my sub again. And I hope that SW MMO will be good and chalenging. (And pls dont type here, bullshit like "just go Blizz dont needs you")

AND STILL NO FUCKING FIX FOR THE ELEMENTIUM STORMSHIELD GRAPHIC. wake the fuck up.

Thanks for the useless nerf to Lay on Hands, altho the reduction of forbearance is nice.

Originally Posted by Hellphantine

I hope people aren't too misslead to think these are all nerfs. Some of the trash nerfs I see as unnecessary. Groups doing it as intended were not having trouble on any trash packs I don't think. However things like the visuals change for Ozruk and Corborus are pretty smart. The dive timer increase is lame though I must say. A lot of changes for convenience of group make up 'cause it's not fair to vote kick someone just 'cause they don't offer what you need for CC/Interrupts. Got lucky enough to have a shaman myself (moonkin) and hunter for Beauty the other day, no clue how we coulda succeeded without that make up. So yeah some are for more convenience and less vote kicks. Unfortunately there are some straight up nerfs that are... well... sad.

It isnt to hard to be honest. most classes have a form of cc.
Hex,polymorph,hex, trap, root , fear, repentance even

Most of the time (me being a Surv hunter) take the job to perm cc 2 of the mobs its easy as hell. Only the pull is tricky but after that no problem at all.

only having 1 cc in the group is pretty rare. TBH up till now I never been in a group as the sole CC there was always a second one either a shaman, mage, druid, rogue, paladin or warlock.

I really cannot believe people had so much trouble keeping 2 adds either perm cced or temp cced.

for interrupts I can understand since not all classes/specs have that, but cc should not be a problem.

At intended ilvl gear (333) for Heroic, you have absolutely NO chance with Beauty if you cant CC all 3 puppies.

That not true personal I did Beauty a couple of times at that gear level (both pug and guildgroup) and we did fine who says you need to cc all tree of them Just cc 2 and burst down the third one simple as that. you can even decide to kill a second puppy as well so you only need to cc one. :/

Originally Posted by Iceleet

I really don't understand why most of you are complaining about the heroic nerfs, most of the people are getting bored from the heroics and just want to get their valor points quickly, these changes are understandable and well put.
Why don't you like these changes? If you want a challenge then start raiding, and if you give me the old excuse of "I just want to do 5 mans and not 10-25" then quit WoW, you won't get the challenge you are seeking for in 5 mans.

It seems like people are just trying to find reasons to hate on Blizzard, there are a lot of heroic buffs as well, so please stop finding excuses to flame Blizzard and actually try to give a decent comment, or at least read the comments, most of the comments are about Blizzard bending over to these so called "Wrath babies".

Because, unfortunately, Blizzard said that the game would nerf itself when the players started collecting better gear (346+), wich they call "outgearing the dungeon". That would be by players who raid and get geared in 359, players who get craftable 359 gear and faction 359 gear (exalted) and, after the first patch (4.1) the gear from new heroics (in this case, for ppl that don't give a **** about raiding, buying gear or even pvp).

With one month, the player base isn't exactly outgearing the dungeons alread and instead of waiting for that happening, Blizzard started to nerf heroics. And no, it's not about this batch of nerfs, but the ones ppl alread forgot that happened in prior hotfixes. And remember: buffing a little, something that isn't exactly dangerous today (Like Ptah) doesn't make it equal to a Ashbury nerf for example. We didn't take too long to go back to aoe festival in many pulls and even don't care if the tank is about to die or died and the dpsers are tanking (normally dps warriors, dks, paladins or rangeds that can kite forever without exactly overgear the heroic in question). Even some bosses a dps could tank (I did alread bosses like the 1st one in Lost City, thx WotLK tanks who join my random and don't move out of stuff because the healer "should keep everyone topped 100% of the time") depending on their remaining health.

Since they started to nerf dungeons, could be a sad coincidence brougth by the end of holidays, but I noticed a increase in WotLK style Tank/Healers showing up in LFD. Lost a good amount of my time saturday with 2 tanks in a heroic because they just wanted to go WotLK style without even outgear the damn place. Just target, charge and start spamming their aoe tanking abilities thinking that the 5/6 mob trash (with mobs that will kill you with their spells combined or fast cast aoe spells) could be easily brought down and healed through it, the 1st one only lasted enough for the 1st boss, when he tought that the healer sucked for not beeing able to heal his ass out so he could just stand into the bombs without moving. The second one didn't last for one pull after charging the said trash pack and getting obliterated a few seconds later and calling us "idiots" for something that looks like we missed in those 3, 4 or 5 seconds he lived.

In the end, the "most of the people are getting bored from the heroics and just want to get their valor points quickly" is a excuse only valid after said heroics aren't part of the main content anymore. Right now, "most of the people" are still doing it for the gear + valor (and even rep for more gear from factions). The easier you make it to ppl to get away with lower than intended gear, the more you'll have to nerf after. You make ppl think it's easy without exactly having a gear on par for it to be easy and they'll think it's time to do raids. They'll get there and "hey, this dificult is not in line with what I saw from heroics, bring it down to be a step over heroics like you guys said it would be! Not this huge stupid gap! You guys suck and don't know how to design a damn game!". And Blizzard will be left with only 2 options:

1) Don't listen and watch those players leaving the game before they "should" since it will still take a few months before the next content patch with the new raid and probably 1 or 2 new heroics that will give new high level gear, wich in turn make some stuff easy on older raids;
2) Start nerfing the raids so they keep playing since the intended dificult content for them was burned quickly with nerfs (and they will probably not care about going back to BoT, BWD and ToFW to beat that content because most of them just want the new shinies, not the "old" ones that aren't the hot stuff anymore).

Guess it's not that hard to see wich one Blizzard (and the company that own Blizzard, the one that really make the decisions today) will choose.