"Tyrande got her revenge"

[Kwento]

The thing is. Alliance players expect a revenge genocide against orcs plus the dissolve of the horde. Which is so over the top, we all knoe6ot wouldn't happening soon.

And neither a huge jerkoff in a form of Legion, personally performed by Blizzard, can help their wounded egos. Really, I think we just have to live with 50% playerbase constantly asking for world domination and subjugation of the other 50%... It’s kind of sad.

[Mehrunes]

The scary part is that they did give in before. Thanks to their whining, Vol’jin was ruined beyond repair back in MoP.

Vol'jin was already ruined in Vanilla where he lost half his territory and people to a coconut charlatan, decided that sending barely trained newbies is the way to go about it and when it failed for three years he needed the Horde AND a divine intervention to bail him out (even though as a chief of the Darkspear Tribe AND a supposedly talented Shadow Hunter he should have realized much sooner that Bwonsamdi, the patron Loa of the Darkspear that dislikes necromancers and undead would dislike a necromancer raising the undead and interrupting the Darkspears' worship of him).

[matrix123mko]

That still wouldn't be enough. The only acceptable revenge is conquering, and subsequent complete dissolution of the Horde. Since they have demonstrated time and time again that they are completely inept at choosing their own leaders the ability to do so must be removed from them for the greater good of the planet.

How is Alliance's safety greater good?

Either dissolve the faction, or have leadership council that needs to be approved by all races not just in the Horde so that such power never again rests with a single person.

No. First of all, it is unacceptable to let Alliance scum choose Horde leaders.

Moreover, representative democracy, especially if the cadence is for entire life, is much worse than absolute monarchy. Monarch, if he is reasonable enough, treats his country as his own property so he doesn't want it to be harmed by anyone because it would be his material loss. He wants it to flourish so he will fully profit from it.

Government at the other hand, is a group of people, in which no one has complete power over it. That's why they treat shared country as public good. Why would they protect it if someone else can do that in their stead? They are very likely to betray their citisens because external threat promises them private profits.

You want some examples for confirmation? Look at the public toilets or read history of Poland.

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And neither a huge jerkoff in a form of Legion, personally performed by Blizzard, can help their wounded egos. Really, I think we just have to live with 50% playerbase constantly asking for world domination and subjugation of the other 50%... It’s kind of sad.

Alliance is said(mainly by Alliance players) to be the "good" faction. Why are it's players so brutal then?

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Vol'jin was already ruined in Vanilla where he lost half his territory and people to a coconut charlatan, decided that sending barely trained newbies is the way to go about it and when it failed for three years he needed the Horde AND a divine intervention to bail him out (even though as a chief of the Darkspear Tribe AND a supposedly talented Shadow Hunter he should have realized much sooner that Bwonsamdi, the patron Loa of the Darkspear that dislikes necromancers and undead would dislike a necromancer raising the undead and interrupting the Darkspears' worship of him).

That charlatan was a bit stronger that it sounds. That said, Vol'jin kind of forgot about Bwonsamdi.

[Moonrage]

How is Alliance's safety greater good?

No. First of all, it is unacceptable to let Alliance scum choose Horde leaders.

Moreover, representative democracy, especially if the cadence is for entire life, is much worse than absolute monarchy. Monarch, if he is reasonable enough, treats his country as his own property so he doesn't want it to be harmed by anyone because it would be his material loss. He wants it to flourish so he will fully profit from it.

Government at the other hand, is a group of people, in which no one has complete power over it. That's why they treat shared country as public good. Why would they protect it if someone else can do that in their stead? They are very likely to betray their citisens because external threat promises them private profits.

You want some examples for confirmation? Look at the public toilets or read history of Poland.

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Alliance is said(mainly by Alliance players) to be the "good" faction. Why are it's players so brutal then?

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That charlatan was a bit stronger that it sounds. That said, Vol'jin kind of forgot about Bwonsamdi.

The Horde clearly isn't capable of picking good leaders considering they chose Garrosh and Sylvanas. The Horde has proven time and time again that they are, in fact, the "evil" faction.

[matrix123mko]

The Horde clearly isn't capable of picking good leaders considering they chose Garrosh and Sylvanas. The Horde has proven time and time again that they are, in fact, the "evil" faction.

What's wrong with Sylvanas?

[Vakna]

Good that blizzard isn't giving in to the radical alliance players. Your delusion might fade soon in time.

How is it a delusion? The Horde literally went off the rails, they do nothing but choose tyrannical leaders that are bad for the world as a whole. They are a danger to themselves. Imagine how much stronger the Horde would be, not just militarily, but in all aspects of life, and how much stronger Azeroth would be vs outside threats if Garrosh or Sylvanas weren't nutbags.

The Horde are incompetent at leading themselves.

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What's wrong with Sylvanas?

She's done nothing but weaken the Horde since her rise to power. She's created an unfixable rift between half the planets inhabitants preventing unity as long as she remains in control (and likely damaging unity even if she is removed), and even driven every other racial leader away from her own faction. She's sparking another rebellion that will once again weaken the Horde like the Garrosh one did. She pretends she wants a better world but has done nothing but make it worse.

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How is Alliance's safety greater good?

It's more like the planets safety. If Sylvanas gets her wish she will destroy half the military might of Azeroth, the Titan inside the planet will die (potentially even causing a violent chain reaction in all species on the planet), and then Sylvanas and her loyal Forsaken will die when she realises it's her alone vs all the cosmic threats that want to eat Azeroth alive.

[Gigantique]

I mean, you’re arguing as if the Horde is an actual faction of characters with set personalities, and not a fictional entity at the whims of its writers. Just have Blizzard NOT write the Horde characters as incompetent morons that are honorable and barbaric good, yet let evil after evil character(s) take over and lead them to places they don’t want to be. Problem solved!

[Verdugo]

She's done nothing but weaken the Horde since her rise to power.

Are you sure you are not talking about Baine and Saurfang?

[Grazrug]

How is it a delusion? The Horde literally went off the rails, they do nothing but choose tyrannical leaders that are bad for the world as a whole. They are a danger to themselves. Imagine how much stronger the Horde would be, not just militarily, but in all aspects of life, and how much stronger Azeroth would be vs outside threats if Garrosh or Sylvanas weren't nutbags.

The Horde are incompetent at leading themselves.

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She's done nothing but weaken the Horde since her rise to power. She's created an unfixable rift between half the planets inhabitants preventing unity as long as she remains in control (and likely damaging unity even if she is removed), and even driven every other racial leader away from her own faction. She's sparking another rebellion that will once again weaken the Horde like the Garrosh one did. She pretends she wants a better world but has done nothing but make it worse.

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It's more like the planets safety. If Sylvanas gets her wish she will destroy half the military might of Azeroth, the Titan inside the planet will die (potentially even causing a violent chain reaction in all species on the planet), and then Sylvanas and her loyal Forsaken will die when she realises it's her alone vs all the cosmic threats that want to eat Azeroth alive.

Great empire's have fallen before. There's nothing special about the alliance that makes them more worthy to be saved like Trolls, Kaldorei or Mogu. They surpassed their Zenit long-ago.

[matrix123mko]

She's done nothing but weaken the Horde since her rise to power. She's created an unfixable rift between half the planets inhabitants preventing unity as long as she remains in control (and likely damaging unity even if she is removed), and even driven every other racial leader away from her own faction. She's sparking another rebellion that will once again weaken the Horde like the Garrosh one did. She pretends she wants a better world but has done nothing but make it worse.

First of all, there was no unity since Battle for Broken Shore. Moreover, you can't blame her for betrayal commited by Saurfang and Baine. It is like blaming Terenas for Aedelas' plots.

It's more like the planets safety. If Sylvanas gets her wish she will destroy half the military might of Azeroth, the Titan inside the planet will die (potentially even causing a violent chain reaction in all species on the planet), and then Sylvanas and her loyal Forsaken will die when she realises it's her alone vs all the cosmic threats that want to eat Azeroth alive.

How would death of Alliance members kill Azeroth? There is no proof that Azeroth needs them to live.

[Moonrage]

What's wrong with Sylvanas?

You missed the whole burning of Teldrassil that started this war in the first place?

[Stormmantis]

Or Tyranda could go one better and unscrew the lid on Sylvannas salt pot

[Eggroll]

When did the tauren get their vengeance for Taurajo?

When did the Alliance get their revenge for Theramore, Southshore?

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The thing is. Alliance players expect a revenge genocide against orcs plus the dissolve of the horde. Which is so over the top, we all knoe6ot wouldn't happening soon.

I mean, Horde liked genocide when it happened to the nelves, what's wrong with a little genocide on the Horde, then? Pick and chose: which race is redundant in the Horde? We'd like a little wipe out

Personally I'd be satisfied with Saurfangs, Sylvanas's and her boytoys head on a pike and a new capital for the nelves. Screw the genocide.

[matrix123mko]

When did the Alliance get their revenge for Theramore, Southshore?

Siege of Orgrimmar and Siege of Lordaeron.

I mean, Horde liked genocide when it happened to the nelves, what's wrong with a little genocide on the Horde, then? Pick and chose: which race is redundant in the Horde? We'd like a little wipe out

Cows, please.

[Eggroll]

Siege of Orgrimmar and Siege of Lordaeron.


Cows, please.

SoO was no revenge. Alliance just assisted the Horde to get rid of an old god puppet. Siege of Lordaeron gained the Alliance nothing. It was a major embarrassement.

I would adopt the cows, not nuke 'em. I'd swap them for Anduin and the whole human potential bs.

[matrix123mko]

I would adopt the cows, not nuke 'em. I'd swap them for Anduin and the whole human potential bs.

So we have a deal. Kul Tirans will make great abominations.

[VladlTutushkin]

All those Horde players gloating... enjoying their untouchable status. People also dont touch shit usually but that's besides the point. Alliance was destroyed by the developers this expansion, but that started since Cataclysm really. You know whats interesting? Now Horde is only left for the chopping block.
And also - as many here said: Tyrande had NO vengeance for Teldrassil yet. As long as Sylvanas lives there is no vengeance.

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And neither a huge jerkoff in a form of Legion, personally performed by Blizzard, can help their wounded egos. Really, I think we just have to live with 50% playerbase constantly asking for world domination and subjugation of the other 50%... It’s kind of sad.

More like asking to let us do to the Horde what Horde does to Alliance each time warchief gets rabies.

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First of all, there was no unity since Battle for Broken Shore. Moreover, you can't blame her for betrayal commited by Saurfang and Baine. It is like blaming Terenas for Aedelas' plots.


How would death of Alliance members kill Azeroth? There is no proof that Azeroth needs them to live.

Because only by acting united BOTH factions and Heroes of BOTH factions always defeat larger threats. Remove one faction and singular Horde or Alliance will fall to “next Arthas” or “next Legion”.

[Grazrug]

All those Horde players gloating... enjoying their untouchable status. People also dont touch shit usually but that's besides the point. Alliance was destroyed by the developers this expansion, but that started since Cataclysm really. You know whats interesting? Now Horde is only left for the chopping block.
And also - as many here said: Tyrande had NO vengeance for Teldrassil yet. As long as Sylvanas lives there is no vengeance.

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More like asking to let us do to the Horde what Horde does to Alliance each time warchief gets rabies.

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Because only by acting united BOTH factions and Heroes of BOTH factions always defeat larger threats. Remove one faction and singular Horde or Alliance will fall to “next Arthas” or “next Legion”.

We are not gloating our status. We are gloating about individuals like you who believe you are entitled to something bigger than what Blizzard is willing to give you. Teldrassil didn't get offed because Blizzard hates Kaldorei. It got hit because of Blizzard wanting the Horde to be the bad guy to make sure they have an excuse to resume the plot of MoP by the book.

[VladlTutushkin]

We are not gloating our status. We are gloating about individuals like you who believe you are entitled to something bigger than what Blizzard is willing to give you. Teldrassil didn't get offed because Blizzard hates Kaldorei. It got hit because of Blizzard wanting the Horde to be the bad guy to make sure they have an excuse to resume the plot of MoP by the book.

Teldrassil was swept under a rug with “Tyrande got her revenge” and ONE dead val’kyr. And soon (not soon but anyway) we will have Kerrigan 2.0. And Horde seems to love being evil so i fail to see anything un-biased here.

[Vakna]

Great empire's have fallen before. There's nothing special about the alliance that makes them more worthy to be saved like Trolls, Kaldorei or Mogu. They surpassed their Zenit long-ago.

You need to forget about the Alliance and the Horde and look at the bigger picture. Sylvanas will turn the world into a wasteland of death. If she won and all the Alliance were dead, do you think she would stop there? Do you think there would be peace and prosperity between half a planet of undead, some of which were raised against their will, and the remaining living races in the Horde? Do you think she would care that the Titan inside Azeroth is dying?

She's become exactly what she fought to free herself from all those years ago, there's nothing left of the good person and valiant defender of life that she used to be. The entire faction war is ridiculous and needless, just stop putting insane people in control of the Horde.

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How would death of Alliance members kill Azeroth? There is no proof that Azeroth needs them to live.

The Legion would have destroyed Azeroth if it weren't for the part the Alliance played, you think the Horde could have beaten them alone? Do you think the Horde can beat the even greater threats out there alone? Not to mention that it wouldn't even be a complete Horde, it would be a splintered broken and damaged Horde vastly weakened from a war of needless conquest. The only path forward is unity, Sylvanas can't see that over her hatred for life.