Why are so many Alliance factions open to the Horde?

[Syegfryed]

So what? It was a bad thing but again so what? It was millenias ago. Maybe it is time to try to live in peace and harmony

Seems like only the alliance are allowed to keep old grudge, other races have to move on

[DemonHunter18]

Wardens should have stayed neutral.

Ik they are under Tyrande but still...

same goes for Demon Hunters.

[Specialka]

Seems like only the alliance are allowed to keep old grudge, other races have to move on

Which old grudge? The grudge about Orcs murdering, pillaging the EK like what 30 ago? Not really the same deal than something than happened 2000+ years ago.

[Syegfryed]

Which old grudge? The grudge about Orcs murdering, pillaging the EK like what 30 ago? Not really the same deal than something than happened 2000+ years ago.

why not? trolls still didn't get their sacred lands back and were still being chased and killed till not long ago, Humans have no shit to say about orcs living here in this world when they are usurpers themselves

mind you, the amani also fought the alliance in this previous war, the Gurubashi and darkspear were killed left and right and kicked out of their lands in Stranglethorn Vale and in their islands by the kul'tirans, Thats why vol'jin and the others hate humans so much.

you do not decide what spawn of time is enough or not

[Terongor]

So what? It was a bad thing but again so what? It was millenias ago. Maybe it is time to try to live in peace and harmony, but it seems the trolls are not so enclined to do so since they keep killing everyone that get near them.

Millenias ago? Stormwind gurubashi happened around 30 years before the opening of the dark portal...... so its not that long and seem how long war of the three hammers affected pov of dark iron dwarvens it still proves humans are genocidal maniacs.

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Which old grudge? The grudge about Orcs murdering, pillaging the EK like what 30 ago? Not really the same deal than something than happened 2000+ years ago.

Again gurubashi stormwind war happened under a hundred years ago and comparing how still ww2 affects our world and how we look at it....

[Specialka]

why not? trolls still didn't get their sacred lands back and were still being chased and killed till not long ago, Humans have no shit to say about orcs living here in this world when they are usurpers themselves

mind you, the amani also fought the alliance in this previous war, the Gurubashi and darkspear were killed left and right and kicked out of their lands in Stranglethorn Vale and in their islands by the kul'tirans, Thats why vol'jin and the others hate humans so much.

you do not decide what spawn of time is enough or not

Then maybe Trolls should slaughter everyone on Azeroth since they are according to Lore the first sentient race. See what kind of reasoning your mindset brought?

[Varodoc]

Then maybe Trolls should slaughter everyone on Azeroth since they are according to Lore the first sentient race. See what kind of reasoning your mindset brought?

Those are the Old Gods and Elementals. All land is Black Empire land. The trolls built their petty pyramids upon stolen ground.

[Aleksej89]

In any non brain-dead world a faction behaving like the horde does would get genocided on the first opportunity for it.
There would be no second chances, no moments for redemption - just a pure purge of its territories and re-purposing of its resources.

But since this is the world of brain-dead the horde gets "forgiven" for whatever they have done every expansion pack and their moronic society continues existing despite its survival being an extreme improbability even in a poorly written fantasy world like WoW.

[Syegfryed]

Then maybe Trolls should slaughter everyone on Azeroth since they are according to Lore the first sentient race. See what kind of reasoning your mindset brought?

By alliance logic, yes, all land is troll land, they should kill everyone who they don't like.

[Specialka]

those are the old gods and elementals. All land is black empire land. The trolls built their petty pyramids upon stolen ground.

All hail N'zoth!

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By alliance logic, yes, all land is troll land, they should kill everyone who they don't like.

Good luck with that.

[Varodoc]

All hail n'zoth!

If we apply Horde logic, N'Zoth was really just trying to reclaim his rightful land after those entitled young races stole it from him. Chief amongst them the wretched trolls, who stole the largest part of the Black Empire.

[Syegfryed]

Good luck with that.

its the same think i said when alliance want to deport the orcs to other planet, like this one is theirs to decide

[Martymark]

Because every other expansion Blizz turns half the Horde factions evil and has us kill them.
And they are too lazy to make any new Horde factions.
Horde players LOOOOVVVEEEDD being forced to have Dalaran for their capital again after the Purge.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

or it was Varian who was ready to attack him?

people forget or ignore that Varian was more bloodthirsty back then than Garrosh itself, HE started the war especially because he hate and want to kill all orcs

Garrosh attacked varian not really up for debate if you watch the ulduar trailer.

Also where was it ever started that varian wanted to wipe out all orcs? I’ve seen it said a few times but I remember he wanting to restart the war because of the things the undead were doing in undercity but I could have forgotten or missed something.

[Feanoro]

If we apply Horde logic, N'Zoth was really just trying to reclaim his rightful land after those entitled young races stole it from him. Chief amongst them the wretched trolls, who stole the largest part of the Black Empire.

That's where you misunderstand. Horde logic is that the Horde is always right.

[Combatbutler]

That's where you misunderstand. Horde logic is that the Horde is always right.

This applies to both factions equally.

[Feanoro]

This applies to both factions equally.

Alliance doesn't have players trying to justify genocide, mass murder of civilians, and gleefully following omnicidal maniacs, but yeah, "equally". Sure.

[Combatbutler]

Alliance doesn't have players trying to justify genocide, mass murder of civilians, and gleefully following omnicidal maniacs, but yeah, "equally". Sure.

In any non brain-dead world a faction behaving like the horde does would get genocided on the first opportunity for it.
There would be no second chances, no moments for redemption - just a pure purge of its territories and re-purposing of its resources.

But since this is the world of brain-dead the horde gets "forgiven" for whatever they have done every expansion pack and their moronic society continues existing despite its survival being an extreme improbability even in a poorly written fantasy world like WoW.

Are you sure?

Honestly both player-bases are pretty much the same.

[Tripzzz]

why not? trolls still didn't get their sacred lands back and were still being chased and killed till not long ago, Humans have no shit to say about orcs living here in this world when they are usurpers themselves

mind you, the amani also fought the alliance in this previous war, the Gurubashi and darkspear were killed left and right and kicked out of their lands in Stranglethorn Vale and in their islands by the kul'tirans, Thats why vol'jin and the others hate humans so much.

you do not decide what spawn of time is enough or not

Trolls wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for the Titans and the Titanforged army(of which Humans, Dwarves and Gnomes are direct desendents of) defeating the Black Empire. The Titanforged army were literally made out of Azeroth's earth. They basically acted as antibodies. Why the fuck should Azeroth belong to the trolls when it was the Human, Dwarves, and Gnomes direct ancestors who were responsible for making Azeroth safe and inhabitable in the first place?? All land is Titanforged land.

[Aleksej89]

Are you sure?
Honestly both player-bases are pretty much the same.

Very much disagree.

There are no "lol its just a prank bro" excuses after commiting genocide and similar acts.
Horde gets such unrealistic treatment on a constant basis - and then goes around touting about "muh honor" xD

Imagine what would happen to king Varian Wrynn if he told his troops and people that, after all the misery and death and sacrifice to defeat garrosh, he has decided to "LOL FORGIVE BFF" the horde just cause his son anduin has a desire for some bain ****?
Both varian and anduin would be executed on the spot for treason by his own generals and commanders - not to mention torn apart by his own people if he would even live long enough to reach stormwind.

Alliance has some extremely irritating NPCs (anduin, genn, malf, tyrande... pretty much all the leaders) but its regular NPCs (quest givers etc) tend to be a lot more bearable and believable.
Most horde NPCs that are not the peaceful tauren tend to be so unbearably childish and delusional and detached from WoW's reality its just immersion breaking and leaves a rrrreally foul taste.