The Scourge is overrated

[darkoms]

I pondered a little about the Scourge threat in the Wotlk and came to the conclusion that the Warcraft community greatly overestimates the threat of the undead army.

People really overestimate the Scourge and its threat to Azeroth very, very much. Arthas just attacked at the right moment. No one from the powerful of the world considered the Lich King such an important threat to be distracted from other matters. In fact, the red, green, and bronze teamed up to stop the blue dragons, and not undead (although there are a couple of dragon quests in the game just to oppose the Scourge), and the wild gods did not have to be resurrected urgently to stop the terrible Lich King, as in Cataclysm, because the Nightmare was much more dangerous than the Scourge.

The Alliance and the Horde are weakened by the war in Outland, the red dragons (and some others) fight the blue, the greens along with the wild gods, the ancients and Malfurion fight the Nightmare, the bronze fight the infinity dragons, the titan-forged and Keepers subdued by Yogg-Saron. In fact, even when the Lich King resurrected Galakrond, Alexstrasza was worried about mortals and said that if Galakrond was resurrected, mortals would have problems. She felt no threat to herself personally and decided to continue to fight Malygos.

The Chronicles said that the defeat of Kel'thuzad greatly interfered with the strategy of the Lich King, but fortunately the Alliance and Horde were distracted by Malygos. Then he was nearly killed at the Wrathgate, but the Legion (well, the servants of the Legion) saved him and Alliance and Horde had to be distracted by stopping Varimathras, whose activities Sargeras personally monitored (maybe he wanted to make a new invasion of Azeroth?) and then the Alliance and the Horde went to fight with Yogg-Saron.

Even with all these parallel wars, the Alliance and the Horde defeated the Scourge (even if the Lich King allowed it, but if he could destroy the weakened Alliance and the Horde, he would have done it. Conclusion? Even after all these wars, the Scourge could not to defeat the Alliance and the Horde).

The words of Terenas is also only his personal opinion, he has no idea about Deathwing, the Old Gods, Aspects, Wild Gods, Keepers. Yes, even in the Chronicles it is written that Terenas said that the Scourge would cause irreparable damage to Azeroth (not destroy it).

Well, I would like to remind you that in the pre-patch of the Shadowlands, the Scourge will remain without control and will attack the Alliance and the Horde. But we all know that the Scourge will not be able to destroy them, simply because it is an MMO genre and the Alliance and Horde must always exist. That is, even weakened by constant wars with the Legion, the Old Gods and with each other, the Alliance and the Horde will reject the Scourge.

Ha, to some extent Lich King even helped Azeroth, because he lured the Alliance and Horde to Northrend, where they defeated the Old God, who otherwise could have been hiding even longer. Ironically, during the Wrath of the Lich King, the Lich King and his Scourge were the smallest threats to the world.What do you think?

[Mirishka]

We lost to the Scourge's leader, who one-shot an entire raid of Azeroth's finest at the pinnacle of their power (at the time) and gleefully started to resurrect us as undead champions until a literal miracle of the Light freed Tirion to stop it.

But sure, lets go with 'overrated'.

[Varodoc]

Well, I would like to remind you that in the pre-patch of the Shadowlands, the Scourge will remain without control and will attack the Alliance and the Horde. But we all know that the Scourge will not be able to destroy them, simply because it is an MMO genre and the Alliance and Horde must always exist. That is, even weakened by constant wars with the Legion, the Old Gods and with each other, the Alliance and the Horde will reject the Scourge.

You can make that argument for literally any villain in WoW. Of course Blizzard won't make the heroes lose. That doesn't prove that the Lich King and his army were weak. Shadowlands proves that the Scourge without the Lich King is a major global threat. The Lich King himself was a formidable threat. Even if he was not as strong as demi-gods like Lei Shen, he was able to raise entire armies and his personal powers grew the more souls he consumed.

[Ardenaso]

Arthas is literally the only villain that needed a literal divine intervention to help defeat him

[Airlick]

The Scourge was not overrated, Arthas was just busy twirling his proverbial moustache for the whole xpac.

[darkoms]

Arthas is literally the only villain that needed a literal divine intervention to help defeat him

Light is not a god. Light is power.

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We lost to the Scourge's leader, who one-shot an entire raid of Azeroth's finest at the pinnacle of their power (at the time) and gleefully started to resurrect us as undead champions until a literal miracle of the Light freed Tirion to stop it.

But sure, lets go with 'overrated'.

It was not a one shot. This is a long and difficult battle. I was tired of repeating to people that they read the Chronicles, and not based their argument on the battle from the raid. There is no miracle of light. Light is not a god. The Chronicles even say that TIRION broke his fetters.

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You can make that argument for literally any villain in WoW. Of course Blizzard won't make the heroes lose. That doesn't prove that the Lich King and his army were weak. Shadowlands proves that the Scourge without the Lich King is a major global threat. The Lich King himself was a formidable threat. Even if he was not as strong as demi-gods like Lei Shen, he was able to raise entire armies and his personal powers grew the more souls he consumed.

How does an army without a leader pose a greater threat than an army with a leader? The Chronicles even say that the Lich King knew that he could not capture Azeroth by force and therefore he needed to capture the champions.

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The Scourge was not overrated, Arthas was just busy twirling his proverbial moustache for the whole xpac.

All of Azeroth's most powerful creatures were too busy to focus on the Scourge threat.
The Scourge was so terrible that the Alliance and the Horde constantly defeated the Scourge army, while managing to fight with Malygos, Yogg-Saron, Varimatras and each other.

[Easo]

I have also never understood this. Scourge IS NOT infinite except if they keep winning major battles. Though there would have been many corpses, their number is finite. We can then add that many of them were destroyed via fire or magic, you cant raise a ghoul from dust. Their leaders are dead and one should assume that only low level necromancers have been left in hiding, thus leaving it an unorganized mass instead of army. How the fuck would they even get from Northrend to rest of continents now? Swimming? Har har...
Eastern Kingdoms? Which for years have seen cleansing campaign by Argent Dawn (successful at that, look at the green stuff in Plaguelands)? Magical numbers pulled out of ass?

Bullshit storrytelling is what it is when at Shadowlands prepatch they will somehow run all over the world (again, how would they get to Kalimdor?). I can concede that it costs too much to keep both faction airships on nonstop bombing missions in Northrend with the explicit idea of slowly, but surely removing the Scourge from existence (remember, they have no magical replenishment now, does not matter if some necromancer can raise few undead), but outside of that?

[Luler]

We lost to the Scourge's leader, who one-shot an entire raid of Azeroth's finest at the pinnacle of their power (at the time) and gleefully started to resurrect us as undead champions until a literal miracle of the Light freed Tirion to stop it.

But sure, lets go with 'overrated'.

After getting his ass kicked at Light's Hope, Wrath Gate, and Cathedral of Darkness, yes 'overrated'.
His one shot was completely out of left field after being destroyed for 90% of the fight, and even then he couldn't make a half decent ice cube to contain Tirion.
But Arthas's rabid fanbase defend that shit character because "OMG HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO KILLED US"

They hated Darkoms because he told them the truth.

[Felrane]

The Lich King never unleased the Scourge. The Alliance and Horde defeated the scourge only because Arthas let us. He was building up our power so when he killed us he could raise us as powerful servents. Then he was going to kill everyone on the planet. His long term plan was to kill everyone to protect Azeroth from the Legion but he needed powerful champions to serve under him. If you do any questing in Northrend you learn that not matter how many we killed they just got back up again after awhile. Once a place is seeped in Necrotic energy/magic it just reforms over and over endlessly. Lorewise Stratholme has been cleared out 3 times now. Vanilla-Wrath. Cata-Wod. Paladins did it again in Legion.
The plague is also so virulent that seemingly healthy animals in Eastern plaguelands would randomly burst into plague beasts/zombies. Even the plant life was becoming animated in Cata. Its extremly hard to cleanse and most likely never will be fully removed. The scourge units themselves might not be strong but once they are established they are endless. I am guessing shadowlands will go into more depth on how undead/Lich king function in relation to the shadowlands.

A universe spanning Scourge would be similar to the Legion. A void spanning army would be like the scourge ect... Every universal power becomes a destructive threat once its the dominating power in the world/universe. Azeroth is a planet at war with all aspects at all times. EVERY major power is a problem because everything wants total domination. The Light had it once. The Void was on track to become the next major aspect. Then the Titans woke up and started to put absolute order on the universe(in the Titans Eyes). Sargaras then went crazy and the Legion put a screw in everyones plan and they became the major power in the universe. Now that the Legion are gone everyone is scrambling for domination. The Scourge has the potential just like all the other powers to become even greater threat. So while it might seem a bit Overrated atm its still pretty powerful.

[darkoms]

The Lich King never unleased the Scourge. The Alliance and Horde defeated the scourge only because Arthas let us. He was building up our power so when he killed us he could raise us as powerful servents. Then he was going to kill everyone on the planet. His long term plan was to kill everyone to protect Azeroth from the Legion but he needed powerful champions to serve under him. If you do any questing in Northrend you learn that not matter how many we killed they just got back up again after awhile. Once a place is seeped in Necrotic energy/magic it just reforms over and over endlessly. Lorewise Stratholme has been cleared out 3 times now. Vanilla-Wrath. Cata-Wod. Paladins did it again in Legion.
The plague is also so virulent that seemingly healthy animals in Eastern plaguelands would randomly burst into plague beasts/zombies. Even the plant life was becoming animated in Cata. Its extremly hard to cleanse and most likely never will be fully removed. The scourge units themselves might not be strong but once they are established they are endless. I am guessing shadowlands will go into more depth on how undead/Lich king function in relation to the shadowlands.

A universe spanning Scourge would be similar to the Legion. A void spanning army would be like the scourge ect... Every universal power becomes a destructive threat once its the dominating power in the world/universe. Azeroth is a planet at war with all aspects at all times. EVERY major power is a problem because everything wants total domination. The Light had it once. The Void was on track to become the next major aspect. Then the Titans woke up and started to put absolute order on the universe(in the Titans Eyes). Sargaras then went crazy and the Legion put a screw in everyones plan and they became the major power in the universe. Now that the Legion are gone everyone is scrambling for domination. The Scourge has the potential just like all the other powers to become even greater threat. So while it might seem a bit Overrated atm its still pretty powerful.

Again. Read CHRONICLES. Arthas knew that he could not capture Azeroth by force and therefore wanted to capture the champions. Alliance + Horde> Scourge

The plague does not even affect powerful animals.
She would not have worked on the wild gods and Aspects.

[Felrane]

Again. Read CHRONICLES. Arthas knew that he could not capture Azeroth by force and therefore wanted to capture the champions. Alliance + Horde> Scourge

The plague does not even affect powerful animals.
She would not have worked on the wild gods and Aspects.

I have read it but one line doesn't remove all the other lore ingame. He just says others have tried to take the world by force and failed. His plan was to lure us and thats what he did. Its not like the Lich King could see ever possible outcome. So he planned to make us his champions then kill the whole world through force.

Even without champions it would be easy to just keep playing them against each other. Garrosh alone almost stopped the entire war effort by attacking the Alliance outside Icecrown killing Both Armys. There are many quests involving us trying to combat the scourge. You do quests for Arthas Spirit, Matthias Lehner who tells you that we cant win. Everything we kill just comes back in Northrend. If it wasn't for a 3rd party(Argent Crusade) coming in to stop both factions from just throwing lives away to the Lich King they would have killed themselves without the Scourge help. The factions couldn't stop fighing even while invading Icecrown there is an entire boss fight of us blowing each other out of the sky.

As far as the plague it wasn't even attempted on Wild Gods but considering Nothing lorewise has shown to be immune to the Plague even the land rots and dies. Its also not static, the research of plague use was ongoing(Professor Putricide). Even other factions like the Forsaken made their own version of it that just melted targets. If old gods can Corrupt/res wild gods(see Ursoc) im sure it wouldn't be much of an effort for the Scourge. Ghuun who was a Rot/Decay old god brought back a mix of Loa(troll Wild Gods) in Fetid Devourer. So I dont see how the plague wouldn't work on them as well given time though it would be easier to just Kill them and then bring them back through necromancy.

[Raugnaut]

The plague does not even affect powerful animals.
She would not have worked on the wild gods and Aspects.

You got a quote for that? We know that in terms of Dragons, Sindragosa (Malygos's Prime Consort, basically the number 2 Blue Dragon) was risen, AND the Scourge was hard at work raising Galakrond until some meddling adventurers came along - One example of a Dragon somewhat close to an Aspect in power, and another example of a Proto-Dragon that was FAR above the Aspects in terms of power.. In terms of Wild Gods and other powerful animals, we know that Loa, at least, are vulnerable to the scourge, which is part of why the Drakkari turned on their Loa, to deny the Scourge their power in case they would fall to the Scourge.
Now, I haven't read Chronicles especially since Blizz is ALREADY retconning it going into Shadowlands, but I would like to see a quote for that claim.

[Ardenaso]

Lorewise Stratholme has been cleared out 3 times now. Vanilla-Wrath. Cata-Wod. Paladins did it again in Legion.
The plague is also so virulent that seemingly healthy animals in Eastern plaguelands would randomly burst into plague beasts/zombies. Even the plant life was becoming animated in Cata. Its extremly hard to cleanse and most likely never will be fully removed. The scourge units themselves might not be strong but once they are established they are endless. I am guessing shadowlands will go into more depth on how undead/Lich king function in relation to the shadowlands.

Wasn't there a questline in BFA where you had to clear Stratholme again and defeat two shadowy people? I think they were Pai Stormbringer and Urukhai Hadanot

[Felrane]

Wasn't there a questline in BFA where you had to clear Stratholme again and defeat two shadowy people? I think they were Pai Stormbringer and Urukhai Hadanot

I think that was with the pet battle questlines. Since I haven't done it and cant really find much on the shadow figures. They have been showing up through all the pet battle instances. One theory is its those 2 that never showed up ingame but were listed as leaders of the Cult of the Damned. There are also other shadowy figures in the other pet battle instances perhaps some teasers for future content/faction down the road. But ya we had to clear the damn place out again in BFA lol.

[Wewlad]

Obviously people are going to defend Arthas since he was one of the few standout characters and got offed way too early due to MMORPG conventions.

[Kaleredar]

After getting his ass kicked at Light's Hope, Wrath Gate, and Cathedral of Darkness, yes 'overrated'.

Light's Hope was lost because the area was holy ground and Tirion attacked him with Ashbringer. Wrath Gate was absolutely going in Arthas' favor before Putress' forces showed up and just kind of cocked everything up for everyone. Seeing as all Arthas was really doing was trying to get the Alliance/Horde off his doorstep, and he succeeded (whilst simultaneously securing Bolvar and Saurfang) I'd chalk him up as "ahead" on that one, despite the intervention of Putress' forces. The Alliance and Horde were severely routed and Putress was swiftly defeated afterwards. The scourge were the only ones that didn't really lose anything in that scenario.

In the Cathedral of Darkness we fled from Arthas, not the other way around. We succeeded at destroying his heart, but then we portal'd right the hell out of there before he could waste us. And him having his heart destroyed or not really didn't seem to impact his final ability to take us all on and then kill us like gnats when he wanted to.

Anyway, as has been said... Arthas was the only one whose plan actually succeeded, right until literal divine intervention saved all of our collective bacons.

[Airlick]

All of Azeroth's most powerful creatures were too busy to focus on the Scourge threat.
The Scourge was so terrible that the Alliance and the Horde constantly defeated the Scourge army, while managing to fight with Malygos, Yogg-Saron, Varimatras and each other.

But the Scourge wasn't just fighting Alliance and Horde. It was fighting every faction around Northrend, and so its forces were spread thin, especially considering it was after getting thrown back from Kalimdor and EK AND losing death knights. Alliance and Horde weren't really fighting against each other, they had some skirmishes, but it wasn't an open war, and certainly not an all-out war. They also didn't really fight Malygos and Yogg-Saron as factions.

I don't have a particular hard-on for Scourge being a world-ending threat, I'm just going to say it wasn't presented very well in the game (outside of early Icecrown, where it really felt like there were just a few islands of the living in a sea of undead). It was just a streak of wins for either faction, (other than Wrathgate, in which Arthas would roll over both factions if it wasn't for Putress wasting everyone instead) and at the end of quest chains you could always expect Arthas popping out of a portal like a proper cartoon villain and going NYEHEHEHE, JUST AS PLANNED, SEE YOU AGAIN, which actually continued all the way until he was at 10% hp in the raid.

[darkoms]

You got a quote for that? We know that in terms of Dragons, Sindragosa (Malygos's Prime Consort, basically the number 2 Blue Dragon) was risen, AND the Scourge was hard at work raising Galakrond until some meddling adventurers came along - One example of a Dragon somewhat close to an Aspect in power, and another example of a Proto-Dragon that was FAR above the Aspects in terms of power.. In terms of Wild Gods and other powerful animals, we know that Loa, at least, are vulnerable to the scourge, which is part of why the Drakkari turned on their Loa, to deny the Scourge their power in case they would fall to the Scourge.
Now, I haven't read Chronicles especially since Blizz is ALREADY retconning it going into Shadowlands, but I would like to see a quote for that claim.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/King_Dred
Enjoy
I also said that the PLAGUE does not affect powerful creatures, and not that they are not affected by necromancy.
Your knowledge of lore is disgusting. Sindragosa is not close to the Aspects in power. Aspects are not just the most powerful dragons, they are much higher, they have part of the Pantheon’s powers and all dragons are associated with their Aspect, which is why when the Aspects lost their power, all dragons also lost their power.
Another one. Stupid. Myth. GALAKROND IS NOT STRONGER THAN ASPECTS. Galarond fought with the Aspects when they were PROTO-DRAGONS. My God, could you at least go to Wowpedia and read about their battle???
Loa is much weaker than the Ancient Guardians. Not all Wild Gods are equal in power. For example, Malorne could solo defeat Arthas.
Oh, how am I tired of you ... Chronicles are STILL CANON. They were not retconed.

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I have read it but one line doesn't remove all the other lore ingame. He just says others have tried to take the world by force and failed. His plan was to lure us and thats what he did. Its not like the Lich King could see ever possible outcome. So he planned to make us his champions then kill the whole world through force.

Even without champions it would be easy to just keep playing them against each other. Garrosh alone almost stopped the entire war effort by attacking the Alliance outside Icecrown killing Both Armys. There are many quests involving us trying to combat the scourge. You do quests for Arthas Spirit, Matthias Lehner who tells you that we cant win. Everything we kill just comes back in Northrend. If it wasn't for a 3rd party(Argent Crusade) coming in to stop both factions from just throwing lives away to the Lich King they would have killed themselves without the Scourge help. The factions couldn't stop fighing even while invading Icecrown there is an entire boss fight of us blowing each other out of the sky.

As far as the plague it wasn't even attempted on Wild Gods but considering Nothing lorewise has shown to be immune to the Plague even the land rots and dies. Its also not static, the research of plague use was ongoing(Professor Putricide). Even other factions like the Forsaken made their own version of it that just melted targets. If old gods can Corrupt/res wild gods(see Ursoc) im sure it wouldn't be much of an effort for the Scourge. Ghuun who was a Rot/Decay old god brought back a mix of Loa(troll Wild Gods) in Fetid Devourer. So I dont see how the plague wouldn't work on them as well given time though it would be easier to just Kill them and then bring them back through necromancy.

And it also says that the Lich King knew that the Scourge could not capture Azeroth without champions (I also do not believe that they would change anything, the players' power is very much overrated, and they would have no chance if Aspects or Deathwing decided to destroy the Scourge army), and the description of the battle at the Gates of Wrath in the Chronicles says that the Alliance and the Horde together could defeat any threat and could stop the Scourge right there if it were not for the intervention of the Forsaken traitors.
LOL what? Corrupting this is one of the main abilities of the Old Gods. The fact that you suddenly wanted the Scourge to do the same (especially considering that Ursoc was torn by a Nightmare that the Scourge does not have access to) does not mean that they can.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/King_Dred
Enjoy, a creature who doesn't care about the plague. Just devilsaur. Not even the Wild God. Not even an Aspect.

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Light's Hope was lost because the area was holy ground and Tirion attacked him with Ashbringer. Wrath Gate was absolutely going in Arthas' favor before Putress' forces showed up and just kind of cocked everything up for everyone. Seeing as all Arthas was really doing was trying to get the Alliance/Horde off his doorstep, and he succeeded (whilst simultaneously securing Bolvar and Saurfang) I'd chalk him up as "ahead" on that one, despite the intervention of Putress' forces. The Alliance and Horde were severely routed and Putress was swiftly defeated afterwards. The scourge were the only ones that didn't really lose anything in that scenario.

In the Cathedral of Darkness we fled from Arthas, not the other way around. We succeeded at destroying his heart, but then we portal'd right the hell out of there before he could waste us. And him having his heart destroyed or not really didn't seem to impact his final ability to take us all on and then kill us like gnats when he wanted to.

Anyway, as has been said... Arthas was the only one whose plan actually succeeded, right until literal divine intervention saved all of our collective bacons.

Again. Light is not a god. According to your logic, any action of Malfurion is the divine intervening of Life, and any action of Khadgar is the divine intervention of Arcane. And actually not. Deathwing is the only villain who actually defeated. Remember the End of Times? This is what was really going to happen. In order to save Azeroth, Nozdormu had to break his oath and change the time line, as well as taking an artifact from the past. No other threat was as terrible as to have to change the course of time for its sake.
I also do not understand why you think that the acquisition of champions is an auto win for the Lich King? In the world of Azeroth, a huge number of champions and not all of them were then in the battle with Arthas. Or for example, what would Arthas do against N'zoth? Against Xavius ​​and the Nightmare or against Deathwing?

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But the Scourge wasn't just fighting Alliance and Horde. It was fighting every faction around Northrend, and so its forces were spread thin, especially considering it was after getting thrown back from Kalimdor and EK AND losing death knights. Alliance and Horde weren't really fighting against each other, they had some skirmishes, but it wasn't an open war, and certainly not an all-out war. They also didn't really fight Malygos and Yogg-Saron as factions.

I don't have a particular hard-on for Scourge being a world-ending threat, I'm just going to say it wasn't presented very well in the game (outside of early Icecrown, where it really felt like there were just a few islands of the living in a sea of undead). It was just a streak of wins for either faction, (other than Wrathgate, in which Arthas would roll over both factions if it wasn't for Putress wasting everyone instead) and at the end of quest chains you could always expect Arthas popping out of a portal like a proper cartoon villain and going NYEHEHEHE, JUST AS PLANNED, SEE YOU AGAIN, which actually continued all the way until he was at 10% hp in the raid.

LOL what? Did the scourge fight all over Northrend? With whom? With the red dragons that were busy with the war with the blue dragons? Or with someone in Sholazar Basin? Again. The Alliance and the Horde simultaneously fought the Scourge, the blue dragons, the Yogg-Saron, the Legion (siege of the Undercity), and each other. Now imagine that there are no distractions, no Malygos (by the way, the Chronicles say that the defeat of Kel'Thuzad put the Lich King’s plan to the brink of failure and, fortunately for him, the Alliance and the Horde were distracted by Malygos), Varimathras (the Chronicles say that the battle at the Wrathgate could be the end for the Lich King, if the Forsaken had not come with their rot) and so on. Only the Alliance and the Horde and only the Scourge. The lash would be crushed for a much shorter period.

[Kaleredar]

Again. Light is not a god.

It's never been explained whether the light has any form of sentience or not.

According to your logic, any action of Malfurion is the divine intervening of Life, and any action of Khadgar is the divine intervention of Arcane. And actually not. Deathwing is the only villain who actually defeated. Remember the End of Times? This is what was really going to happen. In order to save Azeroth, Nozdormu had to break his oath and change the time line, as well as taking an artifact from the past. No other threat was as terrible as to have to change the course of time for its sake.

End Time wasn't "the inevitable future," it was the future that N'zoth showed Nozdormu to turn him to Murozond. It was simply one of many futures... and one that obviously didn't end up happening, so you can't really say deathwing "won" much of anything.

I also do not understand why you think that the acquisition of champions is an auto win for the Lich King? In the world of Azeroth, a huge number of champions and not all of them were then in the battle with Arthas.

The player characters are always considered "the strongest" heroes.

Or for example, what would Arthas do against N'zoth? Against Xavius ​​and the Nightmare or against Deathwing?

Against the old gods, I think the scourge would absolutely come out on top. The old gods need worshipers to bring themselves into the world, and with a 100% scourge controlled world... those don't exist. As far as we know, the scourge can't be influenced or swayed by the whispers of the old gods. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that creations of the old gods (like the aqir) can become scourge. Against the nightmare... the scourge was looking in to invading the emerald dream with Valithria Dreamwalker. And again, the wild forces that the nightmare are particularly fancy towards corrupting are equally as corruptible by the scourge. The black dragonflight seemed ill-prepared to deal with the scourge, even having to go to adventurers to help them out. And seeing as the black dragonflight really only drew its strength from the combination of the dragons (which can be turned) and the forces of the old gods (who would be severely hampered by a lack of mortal worshippers and accomplices) I don't really think they'd be too great of a threat to the scourge.

[darkoms]

It's never been explained whether the light has any form of sentience or not.



End Time wasn't "the inevitable future," it was the future that N'zoth showed Nozdormu to turn him to Murozond. It was simply one of many futures... and one that obviously didn't end up happening, so you can't really say deathwing "won" much of anything.



The player characters are always considered "the strongest" heroes.



Against the old gods, I think the scourge would absolutely come out on top. The old gods need worshipers to bring themselves into the world, and with a 100% scourge controlled world... those don't exist. As far as we know, the scourge can't be influenced or swayed by the whispers of the old gods. Meanwhile, we know for a fact that creations of the old gods (like the aqir) can become scourge. Against the nightmare... the scourge was looking in to invading the emerald dream with Valithria Dreamwalker. And again, the wild forces that the nightmare are particularly fancy towards corrupting are equally as corruptible by the scourge. The black dragonflight seemed ill-prepared to deal with the scourge, even having to go to adventurers to help them out. And seeing as the black dragonflight really only drew its strength from the combination of the dragons (which can be turned) and the forces of the old gods (who would be severely hampered by a lack of mortal worshippers and accomplices) I don't really think they'd be too great of a threat to the scourge.

It has never been said that Gandalf does not eat children, so that we can say that he does.
If it is not written that the Light has a mind, then we cannot say that the Light has a mind. Light is just power. Otherwise, why does he allow Benedict or the Scarlet Crusade to use his power?

Um, yes, this is one of the options for the future. In which Deathwing defeated. And this would have happened if not for the Dragon Soul. Again. The Deathwing threat in Cataclysm is the only event in history that has forced Nozdormu to break his oath to Aman'thul. Read Charge of the Aspects.

Yes, I know, but this is nonsense. The player character in Draenor, even with the help of Durotan / Yrel, can do nothing against Garrosh. The gambler of the player itself is rather weak. Yes, in a crowd they can defeat someone powerful, but even so they always need help. If Arthas subjugated them, all those who usually help them win would turn against them. With or without a champion, Arthas has no chance against Deathwing.

For a long time I have not read such nonsense. Have you seen what happened in the Cataclysm? Have you seen what threat Deathwing was? Deathwing solo could easily destroy the Lich King. Now imagine that he is being helped by a huge army of faceless, naga and elementals led by two Elemental Lords, as well as Xavius ​​and the Nightmare. Only in order to cast Ragnaros from Hyjal it was necessary to resurrect the strongest wild gods, including Malorne. Also imagine that the Scourge meets Chromatus, who, being far from his full power, was stronger than the 4 Aspects.
Nowhere has it ever been said that the Scourge was about to invade the Emerald Dream, do not invent it. Even in the Emerald Sanctuary, there was a magical defense that instantly destroyed any undead controlled by Arthas. The Scourge would have no chance of trying to invade the Emerald Dream.