Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[kaelleria]

Counter what she said then instead of chastising me for linking her.

Or give me a list of which leftists are acceptable for me to quote at you, please.

Ok sure -
Literally anyone not related to Bernie's campaign.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/n...nd-police.html

I already linked a focus group of Trump supporters a few days back where they supported the premise behind defund police, but thought it meant abolishing it.

And here's some polling data on national support.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...slogan-itself/

Here's James Clyburn saying it
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...emocrats-polls

Here's more polling from folks out in Seattle -
https://crosscut.com/news/2020/10/po...-defund-police

Here's Cedric Richmond saying it...
https://www.klfy.com/politics/louisi...-in-the-house/

"If you put all of the messages into a single broad category, it would be the extreme leftward lurch of the Democrat Party. That was messaged in different ways in different districts. In New York state, bail reform was extremely unpopular and meshed well with defund the police, so a public safety angle was the most effective. In some districts, it was 'Medicare for All' and the loss of private health insurance. In a number of suburban districts, we talked about pocketbook issues like higher taxes under Biden. And in other districts, we focused on the extremism of the 'Green New Deal.' And in south Florida especially, it was socialism more broadly. All of those messages fit within the rubric of extremism."

Here's literally a republican operative saying it was used against democrats.

[Edge-]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309

(Reuters) - As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week’s election with baseless claims of voter fraud, his team has bombarded his supporters with requests for money to help pay for legal challenges to the results: “The Left will try to STEAL this election!” reads one text.


But any small-dollar donations from Trump’s grassroots donors won’t be going to legal expenses at all, according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations.

A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the “recount account” established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties, the fundraising disclosures show.

Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

[beanman12345]

Trump lost AZ. He would need something above what 80% of all those remaining votes just to pull ahead? Yea because THAT'S HAPPENING

EDIT: and all of this is forgetting that Biden won PA, which makes all of this AZ nonsense utterly pointless. Say it with me now:

Biden. Is. Your. President.

Some people just refuse to live in reality.

[PhaelixWW]

YA but not abnormal
2016- 10,704 MI

I don't remember anyone going on about the razor thin margins and refusing the results in 2016

I'll do a few more...

MO in 2008: 3903 (0.13%) vote difference
NC in 2008: 14,177 (0.33%) vote difference
WI in 2004: 11,384 (0.38%) vote difference
NM in 2004: 5,988 (0.79%) vote difference
IA in 2004: 10,059 (0.67%) vote difference
FL in 2000: 537 (0.01%) vote difference
NM in 2000: 366 (0.06%) vote difference
IA in 2000: 4,144 (0.31%) vote difference
WI in 2000: 5,708 (0.22%) vote difference
OR in 2000: 6,765 (0.44%) vote difference

Actually I am not sure that is correct it is less than 0.1 OR 200 whichever is lower last time I looked it was really really low.

After looking at the law, I'm pretty sure that the 200 votes is only for state positions, not federal positions. Otherwise the law doesn't make sense as written, as one of the listed options would never mathematically be possible.

[kaid]

It was a much closer margin than I expected.

But, oh noes, we can't have that! You must insult me by saying I must have failed math or something. Wow...just wow...what a cesspool.

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Perhaps. We'll see.

Also a lot of the listed remaining AZ votes are Provisionals and so a lot of them probably won't even be counted in the first place. Mericopa announced two more data drops one tonight one tomorrow. Not sure when pima does theirs but they have one maybe two drops left that should be favorable to biden. I would bet we get a call as of tomorrow because at that point there would simply not be enough oustanding votes to matter.

[Fugus]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309



Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

Well, in that case, I hope he takes them for everything he can. Won't change the results and even if it doesn't teach them, they will at least take a personal loss for all the damage they did more directly than the damage they left for their kids which they will then blame on said children.

[kaelleria]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309



Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

This was known a few days ago...

This has been a grift the entire time. I don't know why the print and TV media is now just figuring this out.

[beanman12345]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309



Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

once a con artist, always a con artist. Trumpers proving Barnum right, sucker born every minute.

[DingDongKing]

So are you claiming Biden has not win PA then?

Just ignore it. He's purposely trying to rile people up by claiming mistruths.

[Zan15]

[QUOTE=matheney2k;52802439] Say it with me now:



Biden. Is. Our. President.

[PhaelixWW]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309

Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

I can't help but offer up a SMDH at people who vote in favor of tax cuts that aren't really tax cuts for them, then voluntarily donate their working-class money to help pay off a self-reported billionaire's debt.

I mean, just how out of touch with reality can one actually get before they wise up?

[Zan15]

I can't help but offer up a SMDH at people who vote in favor of tax cuts that aren't really tax cuts for them, then voluntarily donate their working-class money to help pay off a self-reported billionaire's debt.

I mean, just how out of touch with reality can one actually get before they wise up?

Not to mention the people who did get a tax cut, have that tax cut offset by one of the biggest tax increases ever in the form of Tariffs.

[pathora44]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idCAKBN27R309



Grifter "billionaire" is begging for money to pay off debts. That money you may donate ain't going towards legal challenges, it's paying off campaign debt for a "billionaire".

A part of me says I should be sad for them or pity them being conned by a known con artist. Then I remember they gladly cheer for a wanna be dictator and his cronies as they try to gut our democracy and cheer at the deaths of anyone who isn't a Conservative white Christian men and all I can say is fuck em and I hope they are left destitute bums on the streets. They want to fully support a millionaire con man then let them and when they come crawling for social programs tell them to "pick themselves up by their bootstraps" because social programs are SOCIALISM!!!!!!!

[postman1782]

Sorry that my "shitty talking points" anger you so much. Want to mutually ignore each other?

Nope, I will continue making fun of your talking points.

[Zan15]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-claims.html

Yikes the allegations of fraud are getting real desperate and embarrassing


Sworn statements from a Donald Trump campaign lawsuit alleging vote fraud include complaints about military ballots going for Biden despite what one GOP poll watcher found 'odd' while also who shared suspicions about life choices of independent poll watchers.

Among the the things that tipped off the GOP poll watcher: the independents said they wanted to work in Brooklyn or expressed sympathy with protesters who declared an autonomous zone in Seattle.

'As a final note, I did find it odd that, throughout the day/night, I saw a few dozen military ballots be counted,' according to one affidavit accompanying the suit.

'Although I cannot provide specific numbers or names, I can estimate that at least 80% of the military ballots I saw were straight ticket democrat or simply had Joe Biden’s name filled in on them. I had always been told that military personnel tended to be more conservative, so this stuck out to me as the day went on,' GOP poll watcher Braden Gaicobazzi wrote.

[Adam Jensen]

Question for everyone here:

I, like many other people recently, have been reading up on RCV (ranked choice voting), and it certainly seems like a good idea.

Does anyone want to chime in on why it wouldn't be a good idea?

I mean, it would certainly allow people to feel safer voting for more progressive candidates, if that's what they want, while still ranking more moderate Democrats higher than any conservative as a backup.

When it came to Maine, Republican incumbent to the US House of Representatives Bruce Poliquin whined a lot but never really said anything more except the usual Republican diatribe of "it's not fair."

And he continued to whine "it's not fair" when RCV kicked his sorry ass out in favor of Jared Golden in 2018. Bruce conceded shortly after.

I haven't really heard any good arguments against it articulated. When I voted for Golden (I was still a Maine resident at the time) I voted for the two independents behind him. I didn't even fill out Brucey's bubble. And when the count came, most the people who voted for the independents, had Jared higher than Bruce.

I think the more widespread it becomes, the more we might see third parties emerge with actual political power because people will stop being afraid of voting third party. A lot of people vote D or R when they'd prefer Indy because they don't think Indy can win. But RCV does away with strategic voting, so if it becomes a bigger thing, then perhaps it will dislodge the two party system entirely.

[Biglog]

Whether Republicans realize it or not, Biden has a ton of leverage if Trump and the GOP want to continue their hostile transition to Biden's inauguration. The GOP claims of voter fraud bs that all fell apart on even a glance at the facts is so pathetic and embarrassing now that it's reached Flat Earth levels of desperate grasping. It's got to be humiliating for their claims to be proven false over and over and over and still try to push them when the election is over and Trump lost worse than his self-claimed "landslide" (which ignored popular vote then) he claimed to win by in 2016, but they have to tow the party line because that's what McConnell and Trump told them to.

But more importantly if I were leading Demos I'd say we're about to enter 4 years of Biden, where he will be making appointees from top to bottom removing every single Trump one that their supporters liked to repeat daily "serves at the pleasure of the President". I'd say if the GOP leadership at a minimum if not Trump himself officially concedes and stops the claims of voter fraud, that Biden lets him know it will have a very heavy impact on his choices. Biden had even talked about putting Republicans on his cabinet like Kasich as a sign of bipartisanship despite their horrible treatment for the last 4 years. But if you've paid attention you know the aboslute nightmare scenario for the GOP is filling his cabinet with their hated list. Warren, AOC, Ilhan, Sanders...if the GOP wants to continue this insanity then those and every single appointee can be in that vein. Warren for Treasury Secretary is just one possibility that fills the nightmares of guys like Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity. Biden is the one in the driver's seat, not Trump in his last days signing EOs and replacing people that will all be unemployed and very quickly undone on January 20th. That's the beauty of Executive Orders, a President can exceed their assigned power with them and Trump did, but one swipe of Biden's pen and it's like it never happened.

[beanman12345]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-claims.html

Yikes the allegations of fraud are getting real desperate and embarrassing


Sworn statements from a Donald Trump campaign lawsuit alleging vote fraud include complaints about military ballots going for Biden despite what one GOP poll watcher found 'odd' while also who shared suspicions about life choices of independent poll watchers.

Among the the things that tipped off the GOP poll watcher: the independents said they wanted to work in Brooklyn or expressed sympathy with protesters who declared an autonomous zone in Seattle.

'As a final note, I did find it odd that, throughout the day/night, I saw a few dozen military ballots be counted,' according to one affidavit accompanying the suit.

'Although I cannot provide specific numbers or names, I can estimate that at least 80% of the military ballots I saw were straight ticket democrat or simply had Joe Biden’s name filled in on them. I had always been told that military personnel tended to be more conservative, so this stuck out to me as the day went on,' GOP poll watcher Braden Gaicobazzi wrote.

holy fucking shit. Reading what that guy said makes me want to sue for the murder of my brain cells.

[NoiseTank13]

'Whut, military voting for democrats? that's unpossible!'

[Milchshake]

Whether Republicans realize it or not, Biden has a ton of leverage if Trump and the GOP want to continue their hostile transition to Biden's inauguration. The GOP claims of voter fraud bs that all fell apart on even a glance at the facts is so pathetic and embarrassing now that it's reached Flat Earth levels of desperate grasping.

But more importantly if I were leading Demos I'd say we're about to enter 4 years of Biden, where he will be making appointees from top to bottom removing every single Trump one that their supporters liked to repeat daily "serves at the pleasure of the President". I'd say if the GOP leadership at a minimum if not Trump himself officially concedes and stops the claims of voter fraud, that Biden lets him know it will have a very heavy impact on his choices. Biden had even talked about putting Republicans on his cabinet like Kasich as a sign of bipartisanship despite their horrible treatment for the last 4 years. But if you've paid attention you know the aboslute nightmare scenario for the GOP is filling his cabinet with their hated list. Warren, AOC, Ilhan, Sanders...if the GOP wants to continue this insanity then those and every single appointee can be in that vein. Warren for Treasury Secretary is just one possibility that fills the nightmares of guys like Ted Cruz and Sean Hannity. Biden is the one in the driver's seat, not Trump in his last days signing EOs and replacing people that will all be unemployed and very quickly undone on January 20th. That's the beauty of Executive Orders, a President can exceed their assigned power with them and Trump did, but one swipe of Biden's pen and it's like it never happened.

Nope.

This were you can spot the Dem lifers from the newbies.

Dems just dont do the whole domination politics of:

• pwning the opposition
• teaching them a lesson
• revenge

This mindset just doesn't work in a large coalition group. Especially when the coalition was built out of the civil rights movements. Civil rights comes from empathy. Domination politics is the opposite of that.

This is why former conservatives, or people who grew up conservative get easily frustrated when they join the Dems.
Why adopting Tea Party tactics, will also not work.
Also why tankies struggle within the Dem coalition. Bolsheviks are super aggro about domming all the other factions.


No thanks.