Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Sorshen]

You people forgot you're talking to Tsugunai? Why even engage at this point...

[Endus]

Yeah, whatever you say. Meanwhile, adults who have been paying attention for more than 5 minutes get that this kinda shit is very often done behind closed doors. The way Trump did it wasn’t normal though. Weird how you had no problem with his way of doing shit but now that Biden is going to have a closed doors meeting it’s an issue. Weird.

Like, do you want them to actually hash shit out? Or do you want the "call" to be nothing but empty posturing before the media and the public?

Because making it public guarantees the latter.

[Yuujin]

Pretty much. And they have serious shit to discuss, unlike Trump just accepting everything Putin said while asking for tips on becoming a dictator.

Oh, but how can I pathetically manufacture drama if I don't question everything current President does?

Surely, old president, the one I voted for, would have done things much different and muchly bigly better. But also don't bring up anything he handled poorly cause he's not current President!

[YUPPIE]

Like, do you want them to actually hash shit out? Or do you want the "call" to be nothing but empty posturing before the media and the public?
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no just straight up, I want to hear the president of a country that stylizes itself as a leader of freedom and rights to tell an evil dictator he's going to suffer if he tries to trample over those rights in front of everyone

nothing less.

[Huehuecoyotl]

no just straight up, I want to hear the president of a country that stylizes itself as a leader of freedom and rights to tell an evil dictator he's going to suffer if he tries to trample over those rights in front of everyone

nothing less.

Hmm. So presumably you were falling over yourself during the 4 years of Trump to deride him for cosying up to dictators and actually applauding them for trampling on freedoms and rights? So I could find dozens of examples of similar pearl-clutching from you in the Trump thread, when he fawned over Kim, Erdogan, Belsonaro, Putin and the like?

Why do I get the distinct impression that searching for those examples would be a snipe hunt?

Nothing less.

[Edge-]

no just straight up, I want to hear the president of a country that stylizes itself as a leader of freedom and rights to tell an evil dictator he's going to suffer if he tries to trample over those rights in front of everyone

nothing less.

Yo, you gonna sign up to go fight the war in Russia? And then in Turkey? And in China? And in Myanmar? Maybe add Belarus to the list? You gonna go fight evil dictators all over the world?

[DarkTZeratul]

no just straight up, I want to hear the president of a country that stylizes itself as a leader of freedom and rights to tell an evil dictator he's going to suffer if he tries to trample over those rights in front of everyone

nothing less.

So performative bullshit instead of actual diplomacy. Suppose that matches with what you've previously said you want in a leader: loud visibility, results be damned.

[Endus]

no just straight up, I want to hear the president of a country that stylizes itself as a leader of freedom and rights to tell an evil dictator he's going to suffer if he tries to trample over those rights in front of everyone

nothing less.

So empty, useless posturing that, in the grand scheme of things, means absolutely fucking nothing.

What you're describing is the braggadocio of a weak leader who has to try and make threats because he knows he can't follow through with actual action.

[draynay]

You gonna go fight evil dictators all over the world?

His thing is more the opposite of that.

[YUPPIE]

Yo, you gonna sign up to go fight the war in Russia? And then in Turkey? And in China? And in Myanmar? Maybe add Belarus to the list? You gonna go fight evil dictators all over the world?

the fact you indirectly *acknowledge* Putin as an evil dictator and then list a whole bunch of people in the same row makes me sad that we live in a world where fascism and dictators run that rampant after all that shit in WW2. And we want to try the diplomatic approach regardless. That doesn't solve the issue, it lets it fester IMO.

[solinari6]

yeah, I don't know why Biden doesn't just push for total global domination ... what a wus!

[Edge-]

the fact you indirectly *acknowledge* Putin as an evil dictator and then list a whole bunch of people in the same row makes me sad that we live in a world where fascism and dictators run that rampant after all that shit in WW2. And we want to try the diplomatic approach regardless. That doesn't solve the issue, it lets it fester IMO.

So when are you signing up to do righteous battle against the dictators? When will you be going to basic training?

[YUPPIE]

So when are you signing up to do righteous battle against the dictators? When will you be going to basic training?

if there's ever a world war were waged like that again, I'm pretty sure male conscription will be mandatory. I'll admit don't have much going in life so I would gladly be dragged in that if it just swept me up. It's not like I could just sign up by default in my state now.

It's why I will tell you upfront I am not a sensationalist that enjoys headline news for the sake of being loud. I genuinely want events in life that take away responsibility from certain other concerns I have. Things like war with conscription or a semi-apocalyptic event like the initial mandatory COVID lockdown and subsequent racial rioting over a year that forced/encouraged me to stay home and not interact with people (I hate humanity at large and am an introvert).

On topic: That is my explanation for why I was so eager to see how Biden would respond to Putin; the possibility of real declaration of conflict after all the tension being stirred.

[downnola]

if there's ever a world war were waged like that again, I'm pretty sure male conscription will be mandatory. I'll admit don't have much going in life so I would gladly be dragged in that if it just swept me up.

Wow, really? I would have never guessed based on your posting interests and thread topics you start.

[PhaelixWW]

If you can’t sign up now why would they want you via conscription?

Also, we're not fighting trench warfare anymore. It's way more about quality than quantity when it comes to soldiers these days.

Even if the most obscene situation happens and conscription were to start again, the government would still only need to pull from a very narrow age gap to meet any possible need.

I can't for the life of me think of an even halfway-reasonable scenario where anybody who was unable to volunteer would get conscripted. This is just a warmonger fantasy.

[Breccia]

This is just a warmonger fantasy.

Would you say such an attitude is common amongst people who think leadership is shouting really loud?

[PhaelixWW]

Would you say such an attitude is common amongst people who think leadership is shouting really loud?

That does seem to track, yessir.

[Ivanstone]

the fact you indirectly *acknowledge* Putin as an evil dictator and then list a whole bunch of people in the same row makes me sad that we live in a world where fascism and dictators run that rampant after all that shit in WW2. And we want to try the diplomatic approach regardless. That doesn't solve the issue, it lets it fester IMO.

Immediately after WW2 there were tonnes of dictators. Some were allied with the Soviets. Many were allied with the US. Both propped up new ones. Eventually some grew the fuck up. Some backslid.

Last time the US went to war to remove a dictator what happened? Iraq is still arguably a shit show and it’s being used in a tug of war between two autocratic nations one of which is a US ally.

[postman1782]

normally im not really interested in anything about biden but today is going to be crazy

Turns out, it wasn't. Because Biden isn't a fucking Puppet to Putin like Trump was/is.

[YUPPIE]

"what we didn't do in 2014 we'll do now if you invade Ukraine" said the Joe Biden

first off, what happened in 2014? And what is he going to do? He was completely vague on both in what was said in yesterday's talks. That's all we'll ever get.