SCOTUS removes Roe V Wade

[RobertoCarlos]

Why are you talking about child-rearing in a thread about abortion rights?

Because everything under the sun gets thrown at you from rape and organ harvesting so subjects go a bit all over the show son. And having an opinion on having a kid or not is slut shaming apparently.

[Elegiac]

Growing up without a father figure doesnt mean you magically develop bi popular.

But look at the streets of low income areas. They are filled with kids on the streets selling drugs or stealing cars to get by and no one gives a shit because they are too young to get punished by the courts and at home no one cares. How is that a healthy environment to realize their potential? Some kids never get a chance

I'm curious why you seem to think this isn't a function of poverty but is instead somehow the result of a lack of 1950s gender roles.

[Jastall]

The debate would certainly be a lot easier if you could just ask pro-choicers what they believe, and then ask pro-choicers what pro-lifers believe, and let those arguments air in a kangaroo court. If you really want some fireworks, ask yourself if pro-life advocates are allowed to do the same to all the pro-choice positions.

Pro-life people are appreciative of all the free help, particularly the obvious scorn directed at anyone who would mourn a miscarriage or hold a funeral. Just a clump of cells, same rights as a tumor, shout your abortion you're free? It keeps pushing more Americans to the middle: heavier restrictions favored towards the middle and end of the pregnancy, and allowances at the start from bad choices/failed contraception/not ready.

People are absolutely free to mourn miscarriages, to think a fetus is the same as a human being, to cordially detest abortion for any and all reason they might have, as much as they might like.

What's less understandable is why those holding these opinions should be able to force them unto others.

[Elegiac]

Because everything under the sun gets thrown at you from rape and organ harvesting so subjects go a bit all over the show son.

"Everything under the sun" meaning "analogues relevant to a discussion of bodily autonomy".

Once again; child support is not relevant in said discussion.

[MCMLXXXII]

Growing up without a father figure doesnt mean you magically develop bi popular.

But look at the streets of low income areas. They are filled with kids on the streets selling drugs or stealing cars to get by and no one gives a shit because they are too young to get punished by the courts and at home no one cares. How is that a healthy environment to realize their potential? Some kids never get a chance

And how is this connected to abortion? Are all people in low-income areas single parents? And isn't this a poverty problem, which shouldn't be an issue in a well developed country?

[RobertoCarlos]

That's nice; why do you think this entitles a father to half-own the mother and get a say in their bodily autonomy?



Nice subtle dig at lesbian couples. Very rational.

And how would a lesbian couple have an abortion?

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And how is this connected to abortion? Are all people in low-income areas single parents?

Because low income and unwanted children are clearly linked? Either for benefit fraud or for something to do while waiting for who wants to be a millionaire

[Endus]

Because everything under the sun gets thrown at you from rape and organ harvesting so subjects go a bit all over the show son.

No, given that those were perfectly reasonable extensions of the actual arguments for banning abortion, they're highly relevant.

You, on the other hand, are derailing.

And having an opinion on having a kid or not is slut shaming apparently.

Oh, but that's not what you said. You said she had sex so she should be punished by denying her basic humanity and human rights. This isn't about "slut shaming". This is so much more misogynistic and abusive than slut shaming.

[Endus]

And how would a lesbian couple have an abortion?

The same way any other couple would?

Is this a trick question?

[Elegiac]

And how would a lesbian couple have an abortion?

You do know IVF and sperm donation exist, right?

That aside, I'm referring to your weird belief that 'lacking a father figure' dooms a kid - which is an implicit condemnation of lesbian parents.

[Endus]

You do know IVF exists, right?

IVF. Asking a friend to help out. Sperm donation clinics. Cheating with a dude because you're bi and not 100% lesbian.

Like, I'm baffled as to what his point was.

[RobertoCarlos]

You do know IVF and sperm donation exist, right?

That aside, I'm referring to your weird belief that 'lacking a father figure' dooms a kid - which is an implicit condemnation of lesbian parents.

yeah because couples forking out eye watering amounts of money for IVF and waiting lists/approvals are gonna wanna abort.....

[MCMLXXXII]

And how would a lesbian couple have an abortion?

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Because low income and unwanted children are clearly linked? Either for benefit fraud or for something to do while waiting for who wants to be a millionaire

So to limit the amount of unwanted children, we should ban abortion, right?

[RobertoCarlos]

IVF. Asking a friend to help out. Sperm donation clinics. Cheating with a dude because you're bi and not 100% lesbian.

Like, I'm baffled as to what his point was.

Sure that goes down well. Guess what I got today hunny!

[Endus]

yeah because couples forking out eye watering amounts of money for IVF and waiting lists/approvals are gonna wanna abort.....

If there's something seriously wrong and the mother's at risk?

They absolutely would.

And shouldn't that be up to the pregnant person in the first place? Nobody's forcing abortion on them. We're just pointing out they should have the option, if they need it.

[RobertoCarlos]

So to limit the amount of unwanted children, we should ban abortion, right?

wtf? Im pro abortion. Why ban it?

[MCMLXXXII]

yeah because couples forking out eye watering amounts of money for IVF and waiting lists/approvals are gonna wanna abort.....

There still a thousand of reasons to still want an abortion.

[Endus]

Sure that goes down well. Guess what I got today hunny!

Man, just abusive misanthropic takes one after the other.

Not all couples fall apart because of infidelity. Open partnerships exist, as do polyamorous ones, too.

[RobertoCarlos]

If there's something seriously wrong and the mother's at risk?

They absolutely would.

And shouldn't that be up to the pregnant person in the first place? Nobody's forcing abortion on them. We're just pointing out they should have the option, if they need it.

So which is it.

Are they doing IVF or is it a medical complication? You're throwing out so many whataboutisms is hard to keep up

[Endus]

wtf? Im pro abortion. Why ban it?

For someone who's "pro abortion", you've spent your ENTIRE time here gaslighting everyone by pushing pro-life rhetoric and shitting on women who might want an abortion.

[RobertoCarlos]

Man, just abusive misanthropic takes one after the other.

Not all couples fall apart because of infidelity. Open partnerships exist, as do polyamorous ones, too.

it was a joke relax.