Patch 4.3: Tier 13 Set Bonuses - 9/29

The mage set bonus isn't as strong for arcane as everyone is making it out to be. On the contrary, in my opinion it pretty much sucks, where fire gets the biggest buff and frost is in the middle.

Why? Simple, fire and frost can use icy veins and combustion at any time during the fight. Arcane mages can't use arcane power at will, they cannot afford to be at 10% mana after using it, without an evocation to use. So unless you have a couple of very friendly druids and no one more important in the raid to get those innervates, you won't be using AP any more often than you do now (which is every 2 minutes when evocation is up), making the cooldown reduction of the set bonus completely useless. Hence they buffed the haste part for arcane.

And remember that the current tier set bonus is reducing mana costs when using AP, so if you think that it's not a big deal, equip some non-set pieces and try out how much dps you do without using evocation after a burn phase with AP.

Originally Posted by Lariel

Simple, fire and frost can use icy veins and combustion at any time during the fight. Arcane mages can't use arcane power at will, they cannot afford to be at 10% mana after using it, without an evocation to use.

Then there is no logic in incraseing the CD reduction on AP to 7s from 3 if they "unable" to use it.
And AB has 2s cast time while FB got 2.5s. So i dont understand why AB got 100% chance and FB just 50%. So im still confused about the changes.

Hmm, i still like feral tanking bonuses.

Yo dawg!
I heard DKs hate procs, so we put a proc into the proc, so u can't proc while u didn't proc....

Originally Posted by verminaard

Then there is no logic in incraseing the CD reduction on AP to 7s from 3 if they "unable" to use it.
And AB has 2s cast time while FB got 2.5s. So i dont understand why AB got 100% chance and FB just 50%. So im still confused about the changes.

Well the fire being 50% is simple, cause there is no way you wouldnt cast less than 30 fireballs in 1min and 20 seconds.. so it just doesnt have to be.. arcane though, i do understand it being 100% but if they intend us to play with mana and AP.. this set ensures it quite well.. though surely they need to tune down our mana regen now, as i'm currently doing like 1 min 10 sec burns on my mage without hero, though 4 set t12 has some effect on that.. But yerr at least this makes me somewhat interested before getting the huge nerfs^^

And oh, those saying that arcane shouldn't do so much dps for being easy.. you might wanna review all specs in the game and find out that there is only a few that arent completely retarded on their rotation, you just cant go wrong with wow anymore rotation wise, and as funny as it is arcane is still 1 of the hardest specs to minmax if there is movement involved at all..

And here is to hoping fire gets a buff and combustion removed from impact spreading^^

Yea i understand, but while fire casts 30 fireball an arcane mage casts 50 AB...soooo... And Combustion with impact spreding is the only thing what makes a Fire to an option agains Arcane Obviously not on single target fights. So yeah the conclusion is: BUFF FIRE!

a dont like set bonus for warlock it is just one more set bonus for Demo specc at lest 4 set

fix Blood 2p. use more imagination. seriously, that's the worst bonus ever. even worse than the current t12 2p dk dps one.

Originally Posted by Sodia

omg bomkin is complainin about ele shamans ...... dude srsly?? in evry single aoe and multi target fight you ate as alive and you complain about your low damage?? ...

You forgot that your chain lightning hits for 11-22k every 1.2 sec
A boomkin needs to be in SOLAR ECLIPSE and spend 2 gcd on every target to achieve the same damage....

Spamming chain lightning is also free of charge and doesn't waste your mana because it proc clearcasting like crazy

have you been on ptr recently ?
it looks much like Star Wars with Sith..errr Shamans shooting lighnings everywhere

Originally Posted by Portasq

It is better, but still 13% is low looking at dk's 30%, and other clases stable 4p dps inc.

thats what i was getting at in earlier post, this is t13 n they are co9ming at warriors with t11 set bonuses it seems while almost every other class gets an op bonus we get a chance to refresh something...imo it should b a buff that happens to an attack or something not a chance to refresh something

I like the overall change to the warrior bonus, however, in the vein of favoring certain setups, once again this favors TG over SMF warriors(Raging Blow is of a higher priority for TG, with Slam being of a higher prio on SMF.) I wish they could figure out a way to maybe get it to both; perhaps lowering it's proc chance and linking it to Bloodthirst would help it favor both specs equally(the proc chance would have to be lower due to BT's lower cooldown, though I'm not sure off the top of my head what that percentage chance should be.) It may help warriors who either A. Favor SMF but like to maximize their performance or B. Are in groups rich in 2H users(ret, UH, DK tanks, etc), or C. Both.

Mage 4pc, the big thing people are missing here is mana.....

Unless we get any improvement in our mana pool regeneration (evo, gems etc) then it is all but useless.... we'll just go flat oom much faster. Sure I will have done a lot of DPS in a short time and then what?

As things currently stand (almost BIS gear, legendary staff, shard of woe and current mage 4pc) I am still waiting on evocation timers before I can use arcane power and do a proper burn phase.

why did they nerf the allready bad Prot pala 2pc set bonus?

20 sec for demonlogy and 30 for non-demonlogy...wtf and I was the one who found it obvious that the master of demons (demonlogy) should have longer duration than a non-demonlogy... Big fail really : /

Originally Posted by Badde

20 sec for demonlogy and 30 for non-demonlogy...wtf and I was the one who found it obvious that the master of demons (demonlogy) should have longer duration than a non-demonlogy... Big fail really : /

demonology pets are much stronger and thus the pets are harder to keep up at that level.

Lots of alright, yet boring set bonuses for dps'ers this tier it seems

Soulburn+ Soul fire gives back a shard? i find it more fair to give Soul Fire a CD and replace it's buff in destro with something that makes the talent more fun.