Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Hammerfest]

But it's the LEFT that has "activist judges."

It's hilarious/scary how these people keep saying the quiet parts out loud, and truly disturbing how little they care about their own hypocrisy.

I know, right? The hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze. Mark Dice weighs in...

[downnola]

I know, right? The hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze. Mark Dice weighs in...

"I would rather link the huckster Mark 'the U.S. government did 9/11' Dice because I'm incapable of speaking in my own voice."

At least you're linking directly to the source material instead of clogging up the board with even more incoherent conspiracy theories and nonsense.

[Felya]

At least you're linking directly to the source material instead of clogging up the board with even more incoherent conspiracy theories and nonsense.

He won’t stop, the mods can’t really do anything about it. Here is the solution I have been implementing...

I know, right? The hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze. Mark Dice weighs in...

After reading the title, I have to agree. People who chose their version of partying, because Trump lied about the virus, are continuing their bullshit. Even after Trump admitted to being a lying scum bag that killed 200000 Americans, they are still in party with Trump. Even by now... with everything we know... these spineless cowards that claimed to have covid in November, using their fasting powers to starve a virus that didn’t exist... those scum bags, still spreading misinformation, without a second realizing their conspiracy hinges on obedience to government that lies to them.

Like I said... agree with title of the video... these clown shoes are still partying... it’s not just in US, to be clear... there are plenty of these lying, obedient, plague spreaders, around the world.

Edit: Since I assume we agree here, about those people... Do you think plague spreaders was to harsh to call them? How about, billionaire real estate mogul who didn’t want to shut down his hotels and golf courses around the world, sacrificing his loyal followers and people who can’t avoid them, to keep his money. Do you agree with this assessment of those people?

[Ivanstone]

I know, right? The hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze. Mark Dice weighs in...

Why don't you give us a synopsis since most of us don't have time to listen to the bleatings of a sub-literate knuckledragger?

[Antiganon]

I know, right? The hypocrisy of the Left never ceases to amaze. Mark Dice weighs in...

Speaking of hypocrites, how do you flat earthers explain the sun rising each morning and setting each night?

Does the disc flip over like a coin? Is there some massive cosmic being like Galactus flipping it?

Why don't we all fall off when it flips over?

[Felya]

Why don't you give us a synopsis since most of us don't have time to listen to the bleatings of a sub-literate knuckledragger?

Use the title of the video, to post on topic, of what you would be saying in such a video. As I said, what is he going to do? Actually discuss anything to do with the video? Fuck no... I can straight up call it out like this and he still won’t discuss it, because of how horrible the contents of that video are...

[Ghostpanther]

Since we like polls a lot. FOX News has crossed over to the dark side.

Fox News Poll: Tight race in Ohio, Biden tops Trump in Nevada and Pennsylvania
There are few undecided voters, and Biden’s support is 50 percent or better in each state

Yep. He should win Ohio, right? The polls had Hillary winning it this time in 2016 also.

The last Fox News presidential approval rating, had Trump at 48% approval. Pretty close to what Obama's % was at the same time in his reelection. 49% as this graph shows...
....https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls

[Felya]

The last Fox News presidential approval rating, had Trump at 48% approval. Pretty close to what Obama's % was at the same time in his reelection. 49% as this graph shows...

How was Obama doing in 2014, when 2 people died of Ebola?

[Thepersona]

How was Obama doing in 2014, when 2 people died of Ebola?

And not to mention, the polls are much more favorable for Biden, compared to Clinton.

[Ivanstone]

Yep. He should win Ohio, right? The polls had Hillary winning it this time in 2016 also.

He remember that time when Jon Husted stole the 2018 Gubernatorial race for Mike DeWine? He didn't recuse himself as Secretary of State while running for Vice-Governor, he illegally purged voter rolls, closed polling locations in Democrat neighbourhoods and made it harder to get voter registrations. I'm sure the new SoS for Ohio will continue to use the same fuckery to barely get Trump elected.

Gotta feel bad for Husted though. He did all that hard work being evil and then gets booed at a GOP rally recently just for suggesting people wear a mask! Fucking ingrates.

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Use the title of the video, to post on topic, of what you would be saying in such a video. As I said, what is he going to do? Actually discuss anything to do with the video? Fuck no... I can straight up call it out like this and he still won’t discuss it, because of how horrible the contents of that video are...

I actually clicked on it. Not to listen to this dipshit. I just wanted to take a quick glance at the comments. Holy conspiracy echo chamber there Batman!

[DingDongKing]

Another article that's worried about Joe Biden, this time in regards to his lack of efforts in winning the black vote.

Joe Biden has staked his presidential campaign on his ability to “win back” white working-class voters in midwest swing states like Michigan and Wisconsin. But he has the wrong target.

In Manitowoc, Wisconsin, a city that’s 90% white, Biden recently donned his populist hat, telling an audience: “I’ve dealt with guys like Trump my whole life … Guys who inherit everything they’ve ever gotten in their life and squander it. Guys who stretch and squeeze and stiff electricians and plumbers and contractors working on their hotels and casinos and golf courses to put more bucks in their pocket.”

Prior to this campaign stop, Biden amplified an endorsement from the former Michigan governor Rick Snyder, the Republican official who – let’s not forget – oversaw and attempted to cover up the Flint water crisis, which exposed an estimated 140,000 people in the majority Black city to lead and other contaminants. In an appearance in Michigan, Biden sat down with steelworkers, flanked mostly by white men, to discuss his jobs plan. And prior to that, after white vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed two Black Lives Matter protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Biden aired a Richard Nixon-style law and order ad attacking “lawlessness” and accusing Trump of sowing discord.

Biden and his advisers clearly believe that Hillary Clinton lost in 2016 because white voters in key swing states shifted from Obama to Trump. Biden’s entire campaign strategy is built on that assumption. There are two problems with that. For one, it almost entirely ignores the Black working class. For another, it may not even be true.

If you look closely at the data on Wisconsin and Michigan – two of the three swing states that secured Trump’s victory – it’s apparent that a significant decline in voter turnout for the Democratic candidate cost Democrats the 2016 election, not a shift to Trump.

White voter turnout in Wisconsin declined by 1%, amounting to 100,000 people who chose not to vote for either candidate. Trump only garnered 721 more votes than Mitt Romney, which could partly be explained by population increase. Across Wisconsin, the decline in votes cast for Clinton substantially exceeded the turnout for Donald Trump – from rural towns to medium-sized urban centers.

Black voter turnout declined by an even higher rate, to a level unprecedented in Wisconsin’s recorded history. While 79% of Black voters participated in the 2012 general election, only 47% voted in 2016 – less than half the eligible voters. This amounted to about 88,000 less votes than in 2012. The limited academic research on turnout in Wisconsin reveals that 42% of nonvoters in the state’s two most populous counties stayed home primarily because they disliked the candidates or weren’t interested in them. Issues related to voter suppression amounted to about 5% of the respondents’ answers.

But instead of trying to win over the nearly 200,000 people who stayed home in Wisconsin in 2016 (or whose votes were suppressed), Biden has opted to center his Wisconsin campaign on about 700 people, some of whom may have never voted for a Democrat for president. Instead of focusing on the approximately 50,000 voters who stayed home in Democratic-leaning Michigan counties, Biden is touting the endorsement of Snyder, whose neglect threatened the wellbeing of thousands of Flint residents.

The Democratic party has embraced this message to a bizarre and troubling degree, often platforming Republicans who are barely popular with their own constituents. The Democratic national convention, for example, featured a cameo from former Ohio governor John Kasich. Yet Kasich averaged 18% support from Republican voters in the 2016 race, the lowest of the frontrunners, while Trump garnered 46.5%. There has been a clear shift in the Republican party from conservativism to an embrace of the far right, but Biden is banking on an unknown number of disaffected Republicans to help him into the White House, instead of hundreds of thousands of disaffected Democrats.

This centrist Democratic obsession with “winning back” white conservatives in rural towns and suburbs is more symbolic than strategic. It’s rooted in a longstanding, mistaken archetype that conflates the working class with white workers, a tradition that reaches as far back as the 1800s Reconstruction Era.

In his seminal text Black Reconstruction in America, the sociologist WEB Du Bois noted that the mostly white, Northern labor union movement comprehended “chiefly Northern skilled laborers,” but “almost none of them mentioned the Negro, or considered or welcomed him … said nothing of the greatest revolution in labor that had happened in America for a hundred years – the emancipation of slaves”.

Black workers, even those emerging from centuries of brutal unpaid labor, barely registered in the mainstream consciousness at all. Instead, we became the face of the undeserving underclass, asking for “free stuff from the government”, as if a federal government that has handed out trillions to corporations and financial institutions cannot afford basic services such as healthcare, affordable housing and higher education for all of its people.

It seems like we haven’t moved much past that narrative. Biden’s obsession with the white working class, for example, ignores that over half of Black men worked in Milwaukee’s manufacturing sector, more than double white workers, at the height of the city’s heavy industry. It ignores that deindustrialization hurt them more than anyone else. It ignores that Black and Asian households throughout the country were heaviest hit by the Great Recession. It ignores that a shift to lower-wage temporary warehouse work, and unemployment under Covid-19, disproportionately affects Black and Latinos. And it ignores that these material realities affect how they vote, too. But instead of swinging to Republicans, millions stay home.

It’s in Biden’s political DNA to make these superficial white working-class appeals, despite undermining the working class across race. But if he wants to unjustifiably fashion himself as this generation’s Franklin Delano Roosevelt, it’s best he not repeat the same mistakes of failing the party’s Black working-class base.

Some of the bits are patently false, given Biden was in Kenosha and spoke to a primarily African-American audience. Malaika also seems to be a fairly straight-up socialist, so it's possible that Biden being a centrist doesn't appeal to her. I dunno. The polls can always be wrong, and it's interesting that this is one of many recent articles saying either Biden's campaign is low key and/or not appealing to minorities.

What's the crack on the ground, Yanks?

[Darsithis]

And not to mention, the polls are much more favorable for Biden, compared to Clinton.

I still don't trust the polls. I sat up all night watching Hilary lose. My boss at the time had tickets and a hotel booked in DC for her inauguration that he was sure was going to happen.

Voting for Biden (lesser of two evils), myself. I couldn't live with myself if I voted for Trump.

[DingDongKing]

Speaking of hypocrites, how do you flat earthers explain the sun rising each morning and setting each night?

Does the disc flip over like a coin? Is there some massive cosmic being like Galactus flipping it?

Why don't we all fall off when it flips over?

A turtle drags the Sun up and down in the sky. Come on, we've been through this.

[DingDongKing]

The general media are finding literally anything they possibly can to have a go at Biden. Things like complaining he's a few minutes late to things (this was AP, no less), ignoring that Trump is often up to an hour late for his own. They recently attacked him for taking a day off to do some debate prep and practically stamped their feet on the ground like children because he didn't immediately stop and rush over to answer whatever nonsense questions they had. They're just looking for anything they can to get some clicks, really.

Meanwhile, Trump does something vaguely appropriate, once, and they praise him. The bar has been set that low for him lol

Fair play. Sounds about right. Just checking to ensure there's not actually a foundation for his campaign being lazy enough to ignore minority voters.

I was reading that article and did just come off as a massive whinge and moan with no actual evidence to support claims.

Even the other Independent article I read was moaning about him not being everywhere, but ends on the 'well, it's a pandemic' note.

[Nurasu]

I loved how Hinojosa pointed out that Biden could fly on a private plane. Obviously, but what about all the people who would show up to see him? They're not supposed to be gathering. Fuck off.

[DingDongKing]

Yeah, I saw a complaint that Biden had only done something like half the number of rallies, town halls or what have you than Trump. The most obvious factor, obvious to any normal person, is that there is currently a pandemic affecting America and Biden is actually observing this fact very acutely. Trump, meanwhile, gives absolutely zero fucks about the pandemic and is just cramming people in for rallies as often as he can, only making sure to keep himself socially distanced and repeatedly tested. No fucks given about his supporters.

But Biden is the issue

Bingo. If Biden held rallies like Trump did, I'd say he is an absolute moron. How the media isn't crucifying Trump for super-spreader events is beyond me. And just because Biden can fly private to a location, doesn't mean his supporters can. No point endangering their lives for cheers.

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I've had him on ignore for ages. Along with a LOT of other right wing conspiracy theorists/trolls on here.

[downnola]

Bingo. If Biden held rallies like Trump did, I'd say he is an absolute moron. How the media isn't crucifying Trump for super-spreader events is beyond me. And just because Biden can fly private to a location, doesn't mean his supporters can. No point endangering their lives for cheers.

They gain just as much from those rallies as he does. He provides fresh sound bites to fuel the 24/h news cycle. They both feed off of each other.

[DingDongKing]

They gain just as much from those rallies as he does. He provides fresh sound bites to fuel the 24/h news cycle. They both feed off of each other.

It's sickening. Ironically it's only folk from CNN that have been really laying into him. Brianna Keilar and Erin Burnett in particular.

[Felya]

I still don't trust the polls. I sat up all night watching Hilary lose. My boss at the time had tickets and a hotel booked in DC for her inauguration that he was sure was going to happen.

Voting for Biden (lesser of two evils), myself. I couldn't live with myself if I voted for Trump.

I went to bed at 9 pm EST, was in NYC at the time... I had a feeling it would happen... By 9, it was obvious...

I got to experience in person voting for the first time, since I’ve only voted by mail in WA. Went with the folks, just to see it. Boomers...

[Thepersona]

The general media are finding literally anything they possibly can to have a go at Biden. Things like complaining he's a few minutes late to things (this was AP, no less), ignoring that Trump is often up to an hour late for his own. They recently attacked him for taking a day off to do some debate prep and practically stamped their feet on the ground like children because he didn't immediately stop and rush over to answer whatever nonsense questions they had. They're just looking for anything they can to get some clicks, really.

Meanwhile, Trump does something vaguely appropriate, once, and they praise him. The bar has been set that low for him lol

The MSM has a vested interest in this being a horse race. They dont like it being a comfortable lead (and a stable one!) for team Biden, thus they wont report on that nor report on the sentiment (which should be confident on the prospects, but very vigilant nevertheless).