Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[qwerty123456]

Trump and Biden just had another debate today:

[Zan15]

How is trump even legally allowed to
A- vote in FL since his residence is in DC
B- using a commercial address as his residence


???

i mean if you wanted to get technical could you not open up a building and "rent" tiny little places for people who want to purchase a "residence" in FL in order to vote?
Sure seems that way.
Holy hell FL law is just a mess.....



Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Wendy Link says Mar-a-Lago’s zoning status is irrelevant in whether Trump can register to vote using that address.

“Whether a person considers that location his or her home is what matters,” Link said. “For voting purposes, a voter can claim a park bench as their residence, if that is where they spend their time.”

Palm Beach County has other registered voters on the rolls who have listed warehouses and hotels as their place of residence, she said.

Bob Jarvis, a law professor at Nova Southeastern University, agreed with Link’s interpretation.

“The Florida Election Code does not define the term legal residence,” he said. "As such, it is up to the SOE [supervisor of election] to determine where a person lives.”

State guidance on the issue notes that legal residency is not defined in Florida law, but the courts and the state’s division of elections have "construed legal residency to be where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence. "

“A business address is not typically a satisfactory legal residential address but if the person resides there despite the zoning ordinance, the address could become the person’s legal residential address,”

[Zaydin]

Apparently Trump told GOP donors behind closed doors that holding the Senate will be tough for Republicans in part because there are several GOP candidates for Senate that he doesn't want to support. Trump is also deluded enough to think the GOP will take back the House.

[Kaleredar]

Apparently Trump told GOP donors behind closed doors that holding the Senate will be tough for Republicans in part because there are several GOP candidates for Senate that he doesn't want to support. Trump is also deluded enough to think the GOP will take back the House.

The less Trump is prepared for the giant political and legal shitstorm that will rain down upon him following a potential defeat, the better.

It'll mean he's far less prepared to cover his tracks, try and shove through legislation, burn his paper trails and pardon his cronies.

[breadisfunny]

Huge overnight drop. I haven’t looked at swing states yet, but I would expect further tightening in the next 10 days. I’d thought +8 but +5/6 seems more likely at this juncture. Part of me also feels like their ‘aggressive tightening’ is to show a tighter race.

where are the other 5.3%?

[Hinastorm]

Housing is stupidly affordable in Texas, even near major cities you can get California-equivalent homes in the 200-300k range. If you're willing to go a little ways out of town, you can get them even cheaper, and often on large amounts of land. More often than not you're also getting new construction (last 5 years or so).

I guess weather is part of it too. I'm stuck in Cali for the short term and I hate sunny weather. I want rain, damnit. I know i'm in the minority on that though.

There are plenty of nice places with similar housing costs. I just wonder why so many people picked Texas.

[DingDongKing]

where are the other 5.3%?

Probably indepdenent/undecided.

[Zan15]

where are the other 5.3%?

dead from covid?

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A hilarious amount of democrats moving out of California because it's too expensive to be alive here go to Texas.

I guess a big part of that is because Texas has no state tax, which makes sense for rich people. But middle class and under would be better off in any number of other states.

They get a lot more funding from the feds then the big blue states. 12% more funding just for Medicaid which is tens of billions to CA.

They also tax the shit out of oil and oil production which in return is a tax on every American in the country for their benefit.

They are in a bit of trouble. They might have to start taxing that income. Of course those big blue state bailouts in the stimulus if passed will help them with some of that free lurbal money.

“We went from $3 billion surplus in the current two-year budget to what now is estimated to be a $4.6 billion deficit.


While republicans cheer them moving out of CA, they are forgetting that a blue wave move from CA to TX is not something they want but then again they seem to always go against their best interest

[postman1782]

How is trump even legally allowed to
A- vote in FL since his residence is in DC
B- using a commercial address as his residence


???

i mean if you wanted to get technical could you not open up a building and "rent" tiny little places for people who want to purchase a "residence" in FL in order to vote?
Sure seems that way.
Holy hell FL law is just a mess.....



Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Wendy Link says Mar-a-Lago’s zoning status is irrelevant in whether Trump can register to vote using that address.

“Whether a person considers that location his or her home is what matters,” Link said. “For voting purposes, a voter can claim a park bench as their residence, if that is where they spend their time.”

Palm Beach County has other registered voters on the rolls who have listed warehouses and hotels as their place of residence, she said.

Bob Jarvis, a law professor at Nova Southeastern University, agreed with Link’s interpretation.

“The Florida Election Code does not define the term legal residence,” he said. "As such, it is up to the SOE [supervisor of election] to determine where a person lives.”

State guidance on the issue notes that legal residency is not defined in Florida law, but the courts and the state’s division of elections have "construed legal residency to be where a person mentally intends to make his or her permanent residence. "

“A business address is not typically a satisfactory legal residential address but if the person resides there despite the zoning ordinance, the address could become the person’s legal residential address,”

Technically in 2016 when he voted, he was a resident of NYC. Until he changed his address to Mar-A-Lago, though I don't think that can be used as a residence since it is a hotel/golf course.

[D Luniz]

I guess weather is part of it too. I'm stuck in Cali for the short term and I hate sunny weather. I want rain, damnit. I know i'm in the minority on that though.

There are plenty of nice places with similar housing costs. I just wonder why so many people picked Texas.

..if you like rain and your in cali, you might want to go north, Texas is rather dry, and when we do get rain, its storms that ruin things with wind or flooding or both.

[postman1782]

Whoever is in charge of elections down there said his dispute with the county over whether he can live at mar a lago is of no concern and he can vote.

Yep, technically, I don't think it is zoned as "residential", but I could be wrong.

[Hinastorm]

..if you like rain and your in cali, you might want to go north, Texas is rather dry, and when we do get rain, its storms that ruin things with wind or flooding or both.

Tell that to Costco so they'll give me a transfer =(

I'd have to take like a $12 dollar an hour paycut to quit my costco job and work minimum wage somewhere else.

[postman1782]

His lawyers promised he wouldn’t live there before the county board would approve his plans. That was 27 years ago I believe.

Wonder how much that cost him, considering he paid off Pam Bondi while she was AG of Florida to drop her lawsuit against him for Trump University.

[Felya]

If you notice he had already slander my positions so I have no qualms throwing baseless BS claims to make a point seeing how it is the goto of most poster on here. You not being an exception.

Which part of... we are less than 2 weeks from the election and this is what you choose to talk about... do you not understand?

[Kaleredar]

Which part of... we are less than 2 weeks from the election and this is what you choose to talk about... do you not understand?

These sorts of people are just fair-weather progressives.

This election is about way more than one person or one issue, no matter how shiny and progressive those issues might be.

What's even more damning is that these sorts of people will bend over Backwards to criticize Biden for decades-old comments or political actions, misrepresent his platform, and point out inconsequential gaffes while totally ignoring anything about Trump. In fact, they'll do that same bending over backwards to ignore mentioning or even acknowledging the things Trump has done... as if knowing that, yeah, compared to Trump, Biden IS actually the better candidate.

And as a reminder to all, It's not Biden versus anyone but Trump. Biden already beat out Bernie Sanders, and the majority of his supporters (and Bernie Sanders himself) threw their support behind Biden knowing that their agenda would be most realistically advanced, or at least not actively destroyed, under Biden and not Trump. Who are the only two options.

Anything someone wants to realistically criticize Biden on, you have to weigh against Trump's similar actions. And I haven't found a single thing that Trump not only comes up worse on, but shockingly, appallingly worse on.

Trump is not just some harmless republican clown who we can afford to kick the can down the road on for four years because Biden doesn't seem to adequately "stick it to the rich" and isn't driving hard for free college or whatever, as some other posters on here have held. He represents an existential threat to American health, public safety, and democracy and subsequently to the health, public safety, and governance of the world.

[Edge-]

i am voting for some who did all those things because blah blah blah lesser evil, but at some point the lesser evil is just plan evil.

So what's the realistic solution for this upcoming election, then? What's the best path forward in your opinion?

[Orange Joe]

For the people arguing about 'feels" for voters in PA. Ill leave this here ...

Returned ballots in PA so far, per PA SOS Kathy Boockvar:
•Dem = 1,023,402
•Rep = 293,318
•Other = 132,680

Why is the GOP is afraid of counting votes? Get your vote counted, make fascists afraid

Blue Wave <meep> <meep>

snip pic.

Am I reading this right? We have almost half of the total votes for 2016 in already?

[kaid]

Am I reading this right? We have almost half of the total votes for 2016 in already?

with over a week to go come on folks get your booty to the poll and vote like somebodies life depends on it because it does.

[PACOX]

Technically in 2016 when he voted, he was a resident of NYC. Until he changed his address to Mar-A-Lago, though I don't think that can be used as a residence since it is a hotel/golf course.

You can live at hotel, lots of rich and poor people do.

Your place of residence also isn't always where you spend a lot of time.

College students, truck drivers, pilots, military, actors, sales, many politicians, would love their state residency if that were the case.

[Kaleredar]

Trump is a a result of decades of Biden like policy.

No.

Donald Trump is the result of people voting for and supporting Donald Trump and the complicity of the republican party.

If Joe Biden loses despite the massive, you can bet your ass someone like Bernie Sanders didn't have a snowball's chance in hell. There is no silent, yearning bastion of progressive Americans who, at the drop of a hat, would flood the polls in such overwhelming numbers to thrust any true progressive candidate into the presidency. People that have been raised for decades to mistrust socialism and communism will not "suddenly see the light" and rush to support a progressive candidate if it's "just carefully explained to them the right way."

Bernie couldn't even beat Biden among democrats, you think he'd have had a hope in converting independents and even some republicans the way Biden has? A quick news flash, the vast majority of independents are not "to the left of the democrats," they're between the democrats and republicans. Which is why they flop sides between democrat and republican in presidential elections.

This desire to place the blame on anyone but Trump supporters, Trump and his party for Trump's actions is intellectually dishonest. Which is probably why your man Bernie supports Biden.

I fear the next competent Trump who doesn't say the bad parts out loud like he isn't supposed too. Trump is an idiot but he isn't any near Mussolini you al like to paint him as.

Allowing Trump to continue to be president will only allow him to install more judges, repeal more laws, and pass more legislation while tacitly supporting groups like the proud boys and other white supremacists, actively denigrating the American political machinations that exist to stop people like him.

He has made it abundantly clear that the words of scientists, reporters, and American institutions are not to be trusted, so much so that more than 200,000 Americans have died. But tell me again how the corporate fat cats need to be adequately shamed before you'll say anything.

And the longer Trump stays in power, the more people will believe this.

This is far more dangerous than "I don't feel like the rich corporate elite are going to be burned enough by a Biden presidency to vote for him!"

And more to the point of "well some smarter guy MIGHT come along," yeah, someone of more evil competence might... and it'll be a lot fucking easier for them to do so if Trump remains president and has his way in installing loyalist judges, curating media distrust, promoting conspiracies and dissolving the laws that prevent people

You're trading some imagined, eventual boogeyman that might could maybe arise after a Biden presidency for the actual boogeyman of Trump salivating on your shoulder.

Yes, Trump is that bad.

Trump is just a narcissist a-hole who never leaned not to say dumb things because he has always surrounded himself by those who only praise him.

And the country is suffering tremendously for it.

Biden is a narcissist who has spent his whole career giving the rich exactly what they ask in the hopes of being POTUS. 4th times a charm.

And?

If he creates a more stable America than Trump, and all signs point to Biden being the better candidate, your quibbles about corporate bourgeois power structures notwithstanding.

Again, this whole "well he's not sticking it to the rich enough!" is a pathetically shallow talking point.