Just to point out. I wasn't saying Brus was wrong or arguing with his statement at all. Just posting my observation that when i tried out a more crit heavy build I noticed higher gains at the end. Side note I got the pieces of loot i was banking valor for and can't wait to try them out in the raid next week lol.
Is putting immolate/havoc incinerate on unimportant targets actually a single target dps increase or is it just something we tell ourselves, do you do it on the shredder during black-fuse?
Hey, was wondering if there was a BiS set for destro? I know about the debate between HWF KTT and HWF BBoY, but besides that, does anyone have the BiS list for other pieces?
Graviity
I've noticed sometimes while attacking the dummy that I won't get Ember Master when I should, is this a known issue or is there any way to avoid it?
It has a 10 second ICD.
That would explain it. Is that ICD something worth tracking or not? Also on IJ I noticed you can havoc Incinerate on the mines and get an emberbit from them. Is this worth doing? half a GCD for 3 emberbits.
There are several options but a rough best in slot set is:
4Set
Off Set Shoulders from Fallen Protectors
Norushen Neck
Legendary Cloak
Spoils Bracers
IJ Waist
Dark Shamans Boots
Thok + Klaxxi Rings
Immerseus + Dark Shamans/Garrosh Trinkets
Sha/Garrosh Staff
I think it's not worth it, as you get a feeling for it quite fast. If you don't, it's an improvement to track it of course.
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It is worth it if you are sure to get out 3 Incinnerates/Conflags before someone jumps on it and you don't have to waste a Havoc charge for an Immolate.
As the mines usualy get blown up very fast in my raid, I wouldn't waste the GCD for havoc.
Left aside that you should play Affli if you want to do max DPS anyway (not that I do - but it definetly is better on IJ)
Last edited by mmocf671b58f24; 2014-06-22 at 02:40 AM.
4Set(helm, chest, gloves legs)
Off Set Shoulders from norushen
Norushen Neck
Legendary Cloak
Spoils Bracers
IJ Waist
galakras Boots
Thok + Klaxxi Rings
Immerseus + Dark Shamans/Garrosh Trinkets
spoils wand/garrosh offhand
im fairly sure this is the bis list , but it really comes down to what you prefer as the value of haste and crit is about equal where haste edges out on aoe and crit on single target from what ive been told, anything that maximizes the amount of mastery you have is the way to go.
Last edited by mmoca748dddcc2; 2014-06-22 at 03:13 AM.
I've have a quick couple questions as my guild has finally started to get some progression in heroics. The first and foremost is what strategies for the interrupt phases of heroic thok are fellow destruction locks using? I'm finding each weeks kills my dps is variable as the server being the trash it is makes it so if I don't finish or interrupt my cast before the .4 sec mark on his screech I get the lockout. Trying to figure out ways to get around that that don't completely gut my dps, and preferably let me not cap on embers (when meta hasn't procced that is and outside of bat phase obviously)
The next one is my guild is starting heroic seigecrafter progression tomorrow and I was wondering if the fight is doable as destro or if it's "aff or gtfo" as I have not seen a lock do it as destro yet. The reason I ask is honestly I'm garbage as aff, admittedly I'm not using the right trinket but I'm on average 60k lower on all fights as aff then I am as destro and heck can only do 470 on protectors. So wondering how much I'm nerfing my guild by playing destro on siege. And if possible if anyone has any tips for it (I'm not on belt team)
edit: also almara pretty sure galakras boots aren't bis because while they do have haste/mastery on them where as toxic tornado treads are crit/haste the toxic treads have a little over 100 mastery more on them even at 4/4
Last edited by Thragtusk; 2014-06-22 at 06:37 AM.
the galakras boots are bis because they have a yellow socket and overall net stats better than the shamans one, even if they have a small amount of mastery less.
is your guild 10 or 25? makes a big difference for spec choice. for 25 you want a lot of good aoe classes for the mines, and destro is one of the best. for 10, you can be either.
10 man sorry forgot that tid bit.
Is it worth it reacting(idling for a second, using Twilight Ward etc.) to the ICD at all? I prefer Mastery>Haste playstyle over Mastery>Crit and often find myself not getting 4p procs every ember even if the only thing currently benefitting from a haste and/or crit proc is my Immolate. Sometimes I fill up an ember so fast that the ICD doesn't finish even when I casted a CB during the last proc, should I idle? Lower my haste?
Another question: how strong is the LMG proc compared to the 4piece for ember generation from Immolate?
Affliction is vastly superior on Thok, if you can handle your stopcasting macro well it is miles ahead of destruction, I'd suggest giving it a whirl if you haven't already, playing the overpowered spec is what you want on progression. It will always be better to play the spec you're most comfortable with of course, but spending some time on Affliction (which really doesn't have that much to it once you are good at snapshotting) might be worth it. I can't speak for 10M though.
I find Destruction to be very good on Siegecrafter, we're 25M and use the mine strategy (as I'm sure most guilds do) and Destruction is better suited for dealing with the mines. Again, I can't really speak for 10M, but with the gear available Affliction (in it's very broken state) beats Destruction on nearly every 25M encounter.The next one is my guild is starting heroic seigecrafter progression tomorrow and I was wondering if the fight is doable as destro or if it's "aff or gtfo" as I have not seen a lock do it as destro yet. The reason I ask is honestly I'm garbage as aff, admittedly I'm not using the right trinket but I'm on average 60k lower on all fights as aff then I am as destro and heck can only do 470 on protectors. So wondering how much I'm nerfing my guild by playing destro on siege.
Last edited by striderZA; 2014-06-22 at 08:47 AM.
I probably would consider aff if it wasn't like I said that I'm so bad at it I lost ~70k dps on a good day as aff.