Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Kaleredar]

It is the worst of the best case scenarios though. The problem is that Repubs and their base will consider a barely loss by Trump and keeping Senate as a mandate to double down on their bullshit.

If trump loses, an incumbent president failing to be re-elected is a pretty damning indictment.

[kaelleria]

AOC has 0 shot nationally.

You really think some who says they're a socialist with would win any of the rust belt or AZ?

[Machismo]

Even if Biden wins though he will be severely hampered, it's also obvious Trump will continue to be a force in the GOP. There's no way to get rid of him now with those numbers.

I disagree about Trump, because he would have to real reason to campaign for other people. He stands to gain nothing from such actions. And, we've seen the only thing Trump has ever been consistent on, is his knack for being a selfish douchebag.

[DingDongKing]

Not to mention that out here in the flyover states, Republicans have successfully instilled a very real, visceral hate for her.

Frankly, she'd be a fool to run in 2024.

AOC needs to keep doing what she's doing and build from the ground up. If and IF Biden pulls this off, the next Dem ticket would likely be Kamala/Pete. It's the logical move forward from an establishment perspective. And people need to realise, this hasn't been close because boo establishment democrats. It has been close because this is how powerful cult of personalities can be when leveraging fear and hatred.

[Thekri]

We're going to have 2 runoffs in Georgia.... they will control the Senate.

I think democrats honestly have a better shot in runnoffs then in the General. The cult of Trump shows up for Trump, if he does lose the election, a lot of Trumpsters are going to stay home for the runnoff. A lot of democrats will too of course, but I do think the Democrats will do slightly better in a runoff election.

The real story of the night is that Trump wasn't a drag on the GOP at all. He was in 2018, because he wasn't on the ballot, so the people that hated Trump showed up more then his people did. But in 2020, with the God Emperor himself on the top of the ballot, a whole lot of them came out. It does seem to have been a pretty clean and legitimate election so far, so there is just a hell of a lot more Trump supporters then most people counted. This is not a good thing, but it does mean that is likely tied more to personality then policy.

[AsariCommando]

Biden just took the lead in Michigan. Looks like the mail in votes are finally being counted and heading his way.

[Draco-Onis]

Not to mention that out here in the flyover states, Republicans have successfully instilled a very real, visceral hate for her.

Frankly, she'd be a fool to run in 2024.

Well if Trump wins he is bound to kill hundreds of thousands of republicans due to COVID-19 especially in swing states.

[beanman12345]

That doesn't;t actually make sense, wadr.

what doesn't make sense. biden the not socialist barely won. but you think AOC can in 4 years?

[infinitemeridian]

AOC needs to keep doing what she's doing and build from the ground up. If and IF Biden pulls this off, the next Dem ticket would likely be Kamala/Pete. It's the logical move forward from an establishment perspective. And people need to realise, this hasn't been close because boo establishment democrats. It has been close because this is how powerful cult of personalities can be when leveraging fear and hatred.

That's a losing ticket right there.

[Sunseeker]

AOC needs to keep doing what she's doing and build from the ground up. If and IF Biden pulls this off, the next Dem ticket would likely be Kamala/Pete. It's the logical move forward from an establishment perspective. And people need to realise, this hasn't been close because boo establishment democrats. It has been close because this is how powerful cult of personalities can be when leveraging fear and hatred.

Pete, ewww.

But Kamala/someone, yes.

But yes, AOC needs to continue to grow her base and develop a more nationally-appealing platform. Still, I don't see her ever becoming anything more than a new Bernie.

[muto]

AOC is a good 10 years from running. Not to mention she doesn’t even meet the age criteria. My hot take is the only way Dems properly start building a majority is by finding a way to combat single issue voters. Until then, it’s open season. Cos really, whilst abortion/guns/gay marriage/religion and that entire culture war hoopla is a hot button issue, nothing will move.

She would get annihilated. The map would be as red as when Ronald Reagan ran.

[s_bushido]

Looks like I woke up to some decent news after all. Biden's lead in the states that are now leaning blue (WI, MI, and NV) is way too close for comfort, but at least they're no longer entirely red. I really hope they hold...and that PA finally gets off its ass and counts their damned votes.

I am really happy to see that Biden's popular vote lead has comfortably passed 2 million, though.

[Machismo]

That's a losing ticket right there.

I think Buttigieg has more national appeal, and could easily make a run in 2024. He's made a name for himself by going into hostile territory at Fox, and absolutely crushing it every single time.

[Amunrasonther]

Hopefully, with Biden pulling ahead in Michigan, we'll also see the senate race pull in the Democrat's favor too!

[Gerron]

Yeah, but he lost it, and next time Bob Dole was running. And after him George W. Bush. Cleveland was president, lost reelection, and was after that, trying again, this time winning. So he was 22. and 24. POTUS.

Grover Cleveland is the only president to ever serve non-consecutive terms which makes the chances of it happening again very low.

[infinitemeridian]

what doesn't make sense. biden the not socialist barely won. but you think AOC can in 4 years?

People are more anti-democrat than anti-socialist policies. Yeah, the term socialist is a 4-letter word, but the policies are still popular. AOC needs to start being more of a firebrand against the Dems while still maintaining her progressive bona-fides if she wants to have any chance in 2024.

[Draco-Onis]

I disagree about Trump, because he would have to real reason to campaign for other people. He stands to gain nothing from such actions. And, we've seen the only thing Trump has ever been consistent on, is his knack for being a selfish douchebag.

He needs to become a king maker in order to stay relevant, he will endorse and campaign the Qanon crazies that pay fealty to him. He will either run again or have one of his kids take his place either way he ain't going away.

[Fahrenheit]

I think democrats honestly have a better shot in runnoffs then in the General. The cult of Trump shows up for Trump, if he does lose the election, a lot of Trumpsters are going to stay home for the runnoff. A lot of democrats will too of course, but I do think the Democrats will do slightly better in a runoff election.

The real story of the night is that Trump wasn't a drag on the GOP at all. He was in 2018, because he wasn't on the ballot, so the people that hated Trump showed up more then his people did. But in 2020, with the God Emperor himself on the top of the ballot, a whole lot of them came out. It does seem to have been a pretty clean and legitimate election so far, so there is just a hell of a lot more Trump supporters then most people counted. This is not a good thing, but it does mean that is likely tied more to personality then policy.

Apt description.

I think Trump is going to be absolutely strangled with litigation after he leaves the WH, so I don't think he'll be quite the force after he loses his executive immunity to a lot of shit. Not so sure he'll be running again, but I'm sure he manages to stay out of prison, he'll be a GOP king maker.

[Acidbaron]

So what i am getting from my news here is that people in rural america believe Trump was good for the economy, but wasn't most of those policies simply Obama's? I can't seem to recall many or any of trumps policies. Guess that's Fox propaganda machine being successful.

Looks to be a close race and looks like even if Biden barely wins it's going to be a legal battle probably where is going to create more chaos to stick to his seat as he knows what awaits him if he loses.

[beanman12345]

People are more anti-democrat than anti-socialist policies. Yeah, the term socialist is a 4-letter word, but the policies are still popular. AOC needs to start being more of a firebrand against the Dems while still maintaining her progressive bona-fides if she wants to have any chance in 2024.

I really agree with you, but I think she needs more the 4 years of being the firebrand. more like 8. Then she'll have a shot.