Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Elegiac]

That seems like an obvious answer...

It's cute that you think capitalism and liberty are the same thing.

It's even cuter that you think because a whole lot of Americans buy into propaganda they were fed from birth that it's somehow true.

Sksksksks.

[Machismo]

It's cute that you think capitalism and liberty are the same thing.

Well, since you failed to provide the evidence for your claim against me, I will take this as a full retraction.

It's great that liberty and capitalism won out, and there was no $15 minimum wage increase.

[PosPosPos]

Actually, the vast majority of consumers and workers agree that minimum wage needs to go up and the existence of a minimum wage is needed.

The problem is the system that exists that they are forced into a system that exploits them and the only way to address it is.......

GOVERNMENT!

And you haven’t given a single alternative that is workable outside of unions which will take decades to build up before it can be workable in the US and even then will require GOVERNMENT regulation to protect it and give it any power.

Like I said, he claims to support government, but he doesn't support any of those things that make governments governments.

[Elegiac]

Well, since you failed to provide the evidence for your claim against me

We did, you just keep ignoring it and saying that the quote you decontextualize somehow refutes the entire argument.

[Fugus]

I'm supporting liberty and capitalism, that's my default.

In this case, since it looks like the $15 minimum wage isn't going to happen, then liberty wins.

Just like all those plantation owners did after slavery was banned only to have the slaves return to the plantation because they didn’t have much other option, except we have just expanded the plantation...

[Machismo]

Like I said, he claims to support government, but he doesn't support any of those things that make governments governments.

Once again, this is a fucking lie.

I support government restricting actions that cause harm, and having the power to stop those actions, and punish entities for committing those actions.

Feel free to stop lying about me any day now.

[Elegiac]

I support government restricting actions that cause harm

Underpaying workers doesn't cause harm, apparently. /s

The only lie is that you support liberty. Self-interest isn't liberty, hun.

[Machismo]

We did, you just keep ignoring it and saying that the quote you decontextualize somehow refutes the entire argument.

You said my stances are "all over the place."

Supporting liberty and supporting exploitation simultaneously sort of explains why your political positions are all over the place, tbh.

Evidence, please.

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Underpaying workers doesn't cause harm, apparently. /s

They are not underpaid... they agreed to work for that price, and consumers also agree they deserve that wage, because they shop there.

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Just like all those plantation owners did after slavery was banned only to have the slaves return to the plantation because they didn’t have much other option, except we have just expanded the plantation...

So, use your power as a consumer, and stand up... and refuse to shop at all those places.

[Benggaul]

Someone @ me when there's some actual Biden/Harris news being discussed here instead of the same circular arguments surrounding a guy whose argument has been thoroughly debunked for 10 pages. Pleasethx.

[Elegiac]

They are not underpaid... they agreed to work for that price, and consumers also agree they deserve that wage, because they shop there.

You do understand how this is a defense of things like slavery and human trafficking, yes?

[Machismo]

You do understand how this is a defense of things like slavery and human trafficking, yes?

Nope, try again.

Supporting liberty and supporting exploitation simultaneously sort of explains why your political positions are all over the place, tbh.

Where is your evidence?

[Elegiac]

Someone @ me when there's some actual news being discussed here instead of the same circular arguments surrounding a guy whose argument has been thoroughly debunked for 10 pages. Pleasethx.

Man if only we had people on the forum whose job it was to clean up bad faith posters that keep spamming the same "no u" posts in every thread. /s

[Breccia]

The CDC says 1 in 6 American adults has been vaccinated.

Based on a tiered rollout and of course anti-maskers, I'm going to hypothesize 1 in 5 Democrats and 1 in 8 Republicans.

[Fugus]

And yet, they don't seem to mind shopping at places that pay their employees less than $15 an hour.

That's rather.

Alright there Orlong, if you could get stuff any more wrong it would be award worthy.

You pretend like that’s an option. For many that isn’t.

Let’s see here, Walmart? Nope
Food Lion? Nope
IGA? Nope
Roses? Nope
Target? Nope

They all base their prices on Walmart’s and there is nothing the workers or the customers can do about it without government regulations....

[Elegiac]

Nope, try again.

Okay, so... you don't get it? No point in wasting my time if you think human trafficking is acceptable because people might enter into it voluntarily and there's a demand for it.

[Orange Joe]

Nope, no need... I simply looked up their locations, then cross referenced with the locations of other shopping.

Awkward for you.

Oh, and I'm not going to simply take you at your word.

Why are you lying? 6 of 10 are in 1 city. The other 4 that are listed are 120+ miles away.

[Elegiac]

The CDC says 1 in 6 American adults has been vaccinated.

Based on a tiered rollout and of course anti-maskers, I'm going to hypothesize 1 in 5 Democrats and 1 in 8 Republicans.

If Republicans are the thing that prevents the US from achieving herd immunity I will not be surprised in the slightest, lol.

[Machismo]

Alright there Orlong, if you could get stuff any more wrong it would be award worthy.

You pretend like that’s an option. For many that isn’t.

Let’s see here, Walmart? Nope
Food Lion? Nope
IGA? Nope
Roses? Nope
Target? Nope

They all base their prices on Walmart’s and there is nothing the workers or the customers can do about it without government regulations....

You can shop online, start your own store, or take your business elsewhere. Shit, protest outside their stores...

[Fugus]

So, use your power as a consumer, and stand up... and refuse to shop at all those places.

So I am supposed to drive almost 2 hours away to the nearest CostCo every time I need grocerys?

[Machismo]

Why are you lying? 6 of 10 are in 1 city. The other 4 that are listed are 120+ miles away.

Now, click to the next pages...

There's more than 10 locations, that's just the first set.

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So I am supposed to drive almost 2 hours away to the nearest CostCo every time I need grocerys?

If that's what you choose to do, sure.

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The CDC says 1 in 6 American adults has been vaccinated.

Based on a tiered rollout and of course anti-maskers, I'm going to hypothesize 1 in 5 Democrats and 1 in 8 Republicans.

This is good news, and I hope the trend continues.