Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Felya]

You have a very simple polar view of the world, and trying to say Bigoted against Racism isn't why it's bigoted you've convinced yourself anyone who votes for Trump is a racist. You are a perfect reason why no real change happens. Bash anyone who disagree with your views as the worst possible actors. Yet you defend DEM for the slightest criticism and rail Blue No Matter Who. So if Trump was a Democrat you'd vote for him. .

While you convinced your self that everyone who is voting Biden is an Iraq supporting neoliberal... notice the difference?

[Elegiac]

While you convinced your self that everyone who is voting Biden is an Iraq supporting neoliberal... notice the difference?

And that everyone voting for Biden isn't well aware of his track record like we weren't pointing it out during the primary as a reason he wasn't a good candidate.

The difference here is that the only people who haven't admitted they were wrong were the "Forever Bernie" stans pretending to be left wing when - newsflash - just because the desire to extract value from the government at no cost to oneself might align superficially with left wing policies does not make one left wing. Hence, "cosplay leftists".

[Elegiac]

Oh look quoting out of context. Good Job.

The context that you have absolutely no issue bitching at others for a binary worldview when you do nothing but insist anyone that isn't sufficiently critical of Biden is a secret elitist/technocrat/neoliberal/whoever the fuck the Red Rose brigade on Twitter is upset with this media cycle? That context?

How about the context of we live in a zero sum electoral system so get over it?

[Felya]

No I won't stay silent while drinking poison.

Yes, the roaring sound of needing to be convinced to vote.

[Elegiac]

Yes, the roaring sound of needing to be convinced to vote.

This but with Medicare for All and Biden's health policies:

The last category are the Attention Seeking Cretins (AC for short). The AC has certain traits in common with both the PC and DC brigades. Like the PC, the AC never has enough information, unlike the PC however this lack of information is not about ignorance but a lack of coverage of subjects dear to the ACs' heart. ACs' are always undecided because no one is talking about X or Y subject and if only someone would, their decision would be so easily made. Like the DC though the AC is already decided, a few insightful questions about the ACs' concerns and their view on it, will always point to a party which is stronger on the issue than others and the AC as a concerned voter will be aware of that. The AC plays the part of the undecided voter in the believe that doing so makes politicians keep their issue to the fore.

[Felya]

This but with Medicare for All and Biden's health policies:

I think it’s the same thing that drives conspiracy theorist. Notice that he jumped on the Hunter story, while acting like Biden’s history is some secret that no one knows. Despite the fact that the debate he didn’t watch and the “soft ball” townhall he didn’t watch, both covered his Criminal justice reform... and not by focusing on the violence against women act and the child abuse reform that it also included.

Edit: See... I think Biden saying it was a mistake, is a mistake of its own. He should focus on the other parts of it, to paint Trump as someone against support for victims of abuse.

[Elegiac]

I think it’s the same thing that drives conspiracy theorist. Notice that he jumped on the Hunter story, while acting like Biden’s history is some secret that no one knows. Despite the fact that the debate he didn’t watch and the “soft ball” townhall he didn’t watch, both covered his Criminal justice reform... and not by focusing on the violence against women act and the child abuse reform that it also included.

I really do think of it as a function of accelerationists having wised up to the fact nobody actually agrees with their "burn it all down" mentality so they're trying this new strategy of spreading agitprop to poison the well in the hopes of achieving the same end while telling everyone they're totally gonna vote for Biden so why are you guys getting so upset?

The worst thing is the main people spreading said agitprop are, for the most part middle to upper middle class white people insisting that "both sides are the same" when they manifestly are not to the point that one of them was chosen by Black voters over an actual socialist. These cosplay are sheltered, privileged little people willing to sacrifice others' actual wellbeing for their pet ideological causes whether or not those causes actually materialise.

[Felya]

I really do think of it as a function of accelerationists having wised up to the fact nobody actually agrees with their "burn it all down" mentality so they're trying this new strategy of spreading agitprop to poison the well in the hopes of achieving the same end while telling everyone they're totally gonna vote for Biden so why are you guys getting so upset?

The worst thing is the main people spreading said agitprop are, for the most part middle to upper middle class white people insisting that "both sides are the same" when they manifestly are not to the point that one of them was chosen by Black voters over an actual socialist. These cosplay are sheltered, privileged little people willing to sacrifice others' actual wellbeing for their pet ideological causes whether or not those causes actually materialise.

Maybe they are jealous of those old hippies that had to fight for abortion rights... maybe the fight for gay marriage was too much fun... how about fighting over social security again, that might be enticing? Maybe it the same leftists from the 70s, becoming the greed is good tycoons of the 80... maybe that’s what we are watching in action.

Edit: I will not be silenced... classic last words...

[qwerty123456]

I've seen no indication that they aren't. The idea that people can't be racist by default in a racist society is honestly fairly baffling.



Only if you think it's bad being prejudiced against bigots.

Like I said in a previous post I live in a small rural area where I know people who voted for Obama hoping for change didn't get it and then voted for Trump. Even the few black people here voted for Trump because he was different than the normal politicians he was just "a normal guy". Most of these people don't have the time to do any research themselves working 12+ hour jobs and or needing to drive an few hrs to get anywhere/work and just go with what they hear so when someone tells them Trump is going to save them and the democrat's are going to get rid of their guns and turn us socialist they believe them.

Being bigoted and claiming all Trump supporters are racist and other shit like that is what is getting them to double down and I assume vote for him again. These people see all the crazy shit happening in major cities and then hear shit like you calling them racist and think the liberals have gone insane which then pushes them further down the rabbit hole and turn them even more conservative. When you got a 50+ year old black man telling me that Trump has done more for black people than any other president and that Biden is going to turn us all Socialist after he see's the world burning because the liberals are rioting over the death of a criminal we got a problem.

It's not a racism thing its an ignorance thing and you would probably notice that too if you weren't so ignorant.

[beanman12345]

Like I said in a previous post I live in a small rural area where I know people who voted for Obama hoping for change didn't get it and then voted for Trump. Even the few black people here voted for Trump because he was different than the normal politicians he was just "a normal guy". Most of these people don't have the time to do any research themselves working 12+ hour jobs and or needing to drive an few hrs to get anywhere/work and just go with what they hear so when someone tells them Trump is going to save them and the democrat's are going to get rid of their guns and turn us socialist they believe them.

Being bigoted and claiming all Trump supporters are racist and other shit like that is what is getting them to double down and I assume vote for him again. These people see all the crazy shit happening in major cities and then hear shit like you calling them racist and think the liberals have gone insane which then pushes them further down the rabbit hole and turn them even more conservative. When you got a 50+ year old black man telling me that Trump has done more for black people than any other president and that Biden is going to turn us all Socialist after he see's the world burning because the liberals are rioting over the death of a criminal we got a problem.

It's not a racism thing its an ignorance thing and you would probably notice that too if you weren't so ignorant.

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity can't. It sounds like your area is full of the latter.

[Kallisto]

Like I said in a previous post I live in a small rural area where I know people who voted for Obama hoping for change didn't get it and then voted for Trump. Even the few black people here voted for Trump because he was different than the normal politicians he was just "a normal guy". Most of these people don't have the time to do any research themselves working 12+ hour jobs and or needing to drive an few hrs to get anywhere/work and just go with what they hear so when someone tells them Trump is going to save them and the democrat's are going to get rid of their guns and turn us socialist they believe them.

Being bigoted and claiming all Trump supporters are racist and other shit like that is what is getting them to double down and I assume vote for him again. These people see all the crazy shit happening in major cities and then hear shit like you calling them racist and think the liberals have gone insane which then pushes them further down the rabbit hole and turn them even more conservative. When you got a 50+ year old black man telling me that Trump has done more for black people than any other president and that Biden is going to turn us all Socialist after he see's the world burning because the liberals are rioting over the death of a criminal we got a problem.

It's not a racism thing its an ignorance thing and you would probably notice that too if you weren't so ignorant.

Sorry but in the 21st century the ignorance of the voter is a choice. No matter how much someone works they still have time to actually fact check, go only get reasonable sources and see the real world.

[beanman12345]

Uh, no.

If you can't get the information to your targets, then that is a "you" problem, not the fault or issue of your 'targets'.

Which is why I kept pointing out that Biden was doing a horrible job explaining his planned policies or future agenda, because the only place to find them apparently is by going to his campaign website. ... Somehow some people don't seem to understand how that is a really bad strategy in 2020 to try and make people understand what someone stands for.

Some idiots believe that Biden is a socialist because one side -did- manage to get their lies across, while the other one isn't even bothering.

Or maybe just keeping people in the dark about Biden's 'planned policies' is the strategy the Dems want to go with because they're not all that inspiring or worth talking about. Who knows...

It is a bold strategy to not appeal to people who's IQ's are so low they fail at search engines, I agree. We'll see if it works.

[qwerty123456]

Sorry but in the 21st century the ignorance of the voter is a choice. No matter how much someone works they still have time to actually fact check, go only get reasonable sources and see the real world.

That's just proving your ignorance to claim they aren't in the real world. Many of these people don't even have computers, some not even tvs, and a 4 bedroom home can sell for 40k. The guy that I think owns the local paper was told from a "reliable source" that secret Obama people were going to trick Trump into removing physical currency. I don't think he actually posted that in the paper but when some peoples only source of news is someone like that they are clearly going to see things a certain way. And while I'm sure the black people I'm talking about have probably had racist shit said to them they haven't been profiled by our cops here because the cops know the X and Y families are the white trash families who are likely to be behind Z or Q. Unless its drinking and driving then that any anybody problem. So they don't see a problem with a criminal getting killed by a cop they worry more about the rioting and the breaking into peoples businesses(as they own a business).

Ignorance can be fixed. Stupidity can't. It sounds like your area is full of the latter.

Clearly you are proving my point. Insulting them isn't going to get them to join you.

[beanman12345]

That's just proving your ignorance to claim they aren't in the real world. Many of these people don't even have computers, some not even tvs, and a 4 bedroom home can sell for 40k. The guy that I think owns the local paper was told from a "reliable source" that secret Obama people were going to trick Trump into removing physical currency. I don't think he actually posted that in the paper but when some peoples only source of news is someone like that they are clearly going to see things a certain way. And while I'm sure the black people I'm talking about have probably had racist shit said to them they haven't been profiled by our cops here because the cops know the X and Y families are the white trash families who are likely to be behind Z or Q. Unless its drinking and driving then that any anybody problem. So they don't see a problem with a criminal getting killed by a cop they worry more about the rioting and the breaking into peoples businesses(as they own a business).



Clearly you are proving my point. Insulting them isn't going to get them to join you.

If people are too stupid they vote against their own interests, that's on them, not me.

[Elegiac]

Like I said in a previous post I live in a small rural area where I know people who voted for Obama hoping for change didn't get it and then voted for Trump. Even the few black people here voted for Trump because he was different than the normal politicians he was just "a normal guy". Most of these people don't have the time to do any research themselves working 12+ hour jobs and or needing to drive an few hrs to get anywhere/work and just go with what they hear so when someone tells them Trump is going to save them and the democrat's are going to get rid of their guns and turn us socialist they believe them.

And we live in a racist society telling them to believe and say racist things. You're not helping you're argument, here.

I have no sympathy for people who cannot be arsed to educate themselves simply because they have the luxury of being able to live "apolitical" lives. Especially when they have other people telling them to be empathetic and they still choose the hateful option out of fear - it speaks to bad character.

[qwerty123456]

If people are too stupid they vote against their own interests, that's on them, not me.

It is on you. If you piss someone off enough by claiming meat is murder and they are evil instead of explaining why plants are better for you it most certainly is your fault for driving them away and not educating them and infact damaging to your own interests.

And we live in a racist society telling them to believe and say racist things. You're not helping you're argument, here.

I have no sympathy for people who cannot be arsed to educate themselves simply because they have the luxury of being able to live "apolitical" lives. Especially when they have other people telling them to be empathetic and they still choose the hateful option out of fear - it speaks to bad character.

What racist society is telling them to believe and say racist things? A black small business owner seeing a criminal killed by cops and then people destroying businesses isn't being racist. It's people like you who scare them into going more fringe. They see you as the hateful option and Trump as a good guy(maybe neutral not 100% sure on that) He talks like a normal person where you want to make everyone use Xem and let "sex perverts" use the bathroom of their little girls. They see you calling them racist when they are black(or Hispanic or Hmong or white but not) and they know they are not so they see you as crazy and the left as having become crazy and possibly evil.

Those ignorant people are a problem but you can't force them to learn something. You can try properly educate them but hating them wont do anything. The bigger problem is people like you who label them, blame them, or write them off. No amount of you being a dickhead is going to convince them that liberals aren't a boogey man out to get them its just going to drive them more into that stance. I have seen perfectly normal non political people driven to the point of wearing trump corona masks and hoping to go to his rallies because he's like the second coming or some shit because of people like you whose attitude and arrogance alienates them.
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[zealo]

Uh, no.

If you can't get the information to your targets, then that is a "you" problem, not the fault or issue of your 'targets'.

Which is why I kept pointing out that Biden was doing a horrible job explaining his planned policies or future agenda, because the only place to find them apparently is by going to his campaign website. ... Somehow some people don't seem to understand how that is a really bad strategy in 2020 to try and make people understand what someone stands for.

Some idiots believe that Biden is a socialist/communist because one side -did- manage to get their lies across, while the other one isn't even bothering.

Or maybe just keeping people in the dark about Biden's 'planned policies' is the strategy the Dems want to go with because they're not all that inspiring or worth talking about. Who knows...

Biden's campaign has spent hundreds of millions on political adds so far in key states, he's doing more to get things out there than just relying on a singular website, but unsurprisingly people in Belgium are not a target of all that.

[beanman12345]

It is on you. If you piss someone off enough by claiming meat is murder and they are evil instead of explaining why plants are better for you it most certainly is your fault for driving them away and not educating them and infact damaging to your own interests.

All you are doing is proving my point. if this is the message these people are getting, they are full stop flat out stupid, not ignorant. stupidity can't be fixed. I'm sorry the people in your area are that stupid though.

[Elegiac]

All you are doing is proving my point. if this is the message these people are getting, they are full stop flat out stupid, not ignorant. stupidity can't be fixed. I'm sorry the people in your area are that stupid though.

The irony in bitching about Obama "wanting to get rid of physical currency" (not true, and not a bad thing either even if it were) when we're having coin shortages as a result of COVID, no less.

[beanman12345]

The irony in bitching about Obama "wanting to get rid of physical currency" (not true, and not a bad thing either even if it were) when we're having coin shortages as a result of COVID, no less.

They're crying about obama liking dijon on a burger, but think they are being told eating meat makes them evil. like what?