Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Always though Antorus was the structure closest to the World Soul mostly because that's where we find Argus. Kind of expected Uldorus to be the structure that directly overlooks Azeroth's soul.

That is also what I always assumed to. Uld is similar to well Uldaman, Ulduar and well Uldorus is like Antorus so... /shrug

[Sondrelk]

That is also what I always assumed to. Uld is similar to well Uldaman, Ulduar and well Uldorus is like Antorus so... /shrug

I guess we could simply be drawing undue conclusions. Antirust was just the military complex we attacked first, while the actual location of Argus' soul was called something else.

[Catastrophy349]

Spoilers!

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[Nymrohd]

The event on the PTR actually managed to give me nausea. I don't know what the intended effect of the storm was supposed to be, but that was hopefully not it.

[Cheezits]

Spoilers!

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People are already tantruming over the First Ones and Zereth Ordus being mentioned but its the only way it makes sense for the Titans to be so powerful.

[Xilurm]

What exactly is the problem there? And why are people complaining under that tweet?

[Sondrelk]

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Neat.

Blatant retcon, but it does make sense, and is fitting in making the Titans more morally grey.

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What exactly is the problem there? And why are people complaining under that tweet?

I guess because it's straight out admitting that old lore will be treated as Keeper propaganda, which is kinda weak considering it's further undermining the Chronicles books.

[Nymrohd]

People are already tantruming over the First Ones and Zereth Ordus being mentioned but its the only way it makes sense for the Titans to be so powerful.

The thing is, it changes the origin of the Pantheon. If they were made in Zereth Ordus by the First Ones, then they are not World Souls created in the mortal realm, spinning until they created planets as cocoons to birth themselves. And if you break that part, what about other World Souls. Because it's not just Azeroth, it's also Argus and the almost Void Titan Sargeras killed.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Spoilers!

WoW! https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...3zU_dtGcfl84mA

Ugh they couldn’t have just saved some face and made the titans the first ones could they? Titan titans are so incredibly lame.

[Cheezits]

The thing is, it changes the origin of the Pantheon. If they were made in Zereth Ordus by the First Ones, then they are not World Souls created in the mortal realm, spinning until they created planets as cocoons to birth themselves. And if you break that part, what about other World Souls. Because it's not just Azeroth, it's also Argus and the almost Void Titan Sargeras killed.

Unless they are shot out of Zereth Ordus and into reality to become world souls. Similarly to how the Eternal Ones don't live in Zereth Mortis.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

People are already tantruming over the First Ones and Zereth Ordus being mentioned but its the only way it makes sense for the Titans to be so powerful.

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

[Ersula]

What exactly is the problem there? And why are people complaining under that tweet?

I guess some people really wanted the First Ones to be the Titans, for the sake of simplicity. Or maybe just the idea that mister "I have been sending an infinite stream of my own personal valkyr to attack the rape-revenge allegory whom she immediately defeats & uploads the souls of her followers for the past 10,000 years" might be a bad or dumb guy.

[Xilurm]

Spoilers: https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...91694257893379

I seriously don't get the tantrum? The First Ones create the Titans and everything else, then everything else does it's own thing. Then it trickles down to whatever we ended up doing in recent ages. How is any of that the First One's fault?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

"This is how things are"



Sometime later in the future due to increased knowledge "Actually thats not entirely true."


Its certainly rhymes with real life thats for certain. Which is fine, I think some people just wanted Titans to be the big gods and well I get it but we moved quite past that but that doesn't mean the Titans are "lame" just means there are bigger fish out there. Doesn't mean Titans can't do things that we care more about then say first ones. Don't see the whinefest.

[Cheezits]

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

You don't need to explain how, even though we'll probably get there. Titans had no origin before either. This is just allowing the other Magic sources to be as interesting as the Titans were instead of LOL ELUNE DID IT. This whole thing is about making every other magic cooler at the expense of the Titans, who people are attached to because its old lore, but they were only so cool at the expense of dumbing down every other source of magic (demons are just animals in green poop, all of life is elunes farts)

There was NO Fel lore besides the Legion, now we might actually get to meet primordial demons. Now An'she can be an ACTUAL god instead of "Tauren are dumb and thought the sun could talk". Elune is not responsible for literally everything Life related.

I have a sneaking suspicion it's time travel related however. Powerful entities that time traveled back far enough to be the First ones around.

[Ersula]

It doesn’t make any sense because then you need to try and explain how the first ones are so powerful instead of just having the cosmic powers represented at different levels of coalesced might.

Hi, there is this guy who say the First One's plan to chop the universe up into 6 cosmic powers & assign people to run them, and thought it was dumb & bad & wanted to replace it with a better system: His name was Zovaal the Jailer. He had some good ideas.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Unless they are shot out of Zereth Ordus and into reality to become world souls. Similarly to how the Eternal Ones don't live in Zereth Mortis.

The titans and there world souls were previously created with the birth of the great dark a Zereth ordus or the first ones just don’t fit with the pre dragon flight lore at all unless they want to say they are the light/void lords and made the titans before the universe existed.

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You don't need to explain how, even though we'll probably get there. Titans had no origin before either. This is just allowing the other Magic sources to be as interesting as the Titans were instead of LOL ELUNE DID IT. This whole thing is about making every other magic cooler at the expense of the Titans, who people are attached to because its old lore, but they were only so cool at the expense of dumbing down every other source of magic (demons are just animals in green poop, all of life is elunes farts)

There was NO Fel lore besides the Legion, now we might actually get to meet primordial demons. Now An'she can be an ACTUAL god instead of "Tauren are dumb and thought the sun could talk". Elune is not responsible for literally everything Life related.

I have a sneaking suspicion it's time travel related however. Powerful entities that time traveled back far enough to be the First ones around.

The titans have had an origin since chronicles 1 they were born with the creation of the universe and took eons to grow enough to be more then planets.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/FPjLmMJb_L...ZmFyaS82MDQuMQ

Same with demons before the legion.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/OGWwtVfXs0...ZmFyaS82MDQuMQ

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Hi, there is this guy who say the First One's plan to chop the universe up into 6 cosmic powers & assign people to run them, and thought it was dumb & bad & wanted to replace it with a better system: His name was Zovaal the Jailer. He had some good ideas.

Man if the jailer wanted to bring the lore back to pre shadowlands I’d be all for him.

[Catastrophy349]

Here is two more lore books!

https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...3zU_dtGcfl84mA

https://twitter.com/portergauge/stat...BRa7IdvdgdASLg

[Cheezits]

Also a new race of dwarves living in "Khaz Algar", might be for the underground zone

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...95846992064512

[Reive]

Is this new lore actually bad or people are just having shadowlands ptsd?