I have a question. If High Elves get the Human skeleton instead of the BE one would you guys play them? Asking out of curiositiy.
I have a question. If High Elves get the Human skeleton instead of the BE one would you guys play them? Asking out of curiositiy.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. It seems like at this point the chance to get High Elves is pretty slim but if someone can come up with a good Half-elf model then people will have their fair-skinned pointy-eared long-haired blonde elf people on the Alliance and everyone will be happy I guess.
Why is everyone going off on blonde hair? I think both blood elves I've made have been redheads (one live, one in alpha)
This has actually been a common suggestion from the many HE threads on US forums, and I think this is why most of the HE supporters were peeved by Ion's response. It focused too much on the model without acknowledging that people were willing to use human/night elf skeletons.
I'm not sure how much more often it needs to be said but, it should be very clear at this point that people who want High Elves want them more for their story over the model.
If all HE people truly wanted was blood elf model on the Alliance then there wouldn't be such a ruckus over having Void Elves, since those literally are Blood Elves on Alliance. Ion even re-iterates that.
For instance maybe this makes it clearer:
If I were someone that wanted the Night Elf story of how they forsake arcane magic and turned to druidic/natural magics as a people. Then I would choose playing Night Elves on the Alliance because they are the continuation of that storyline.
If instead I were someone that was more interested in the Night Elves that loved using arcane magic and made their civilization around it akin to the Highborne of old then I'd choose to play the Nightborne because they are the night elf group that carries this specific storyline.
Same goes for Thalassian elf side:
If I wanted to play the group of elves that took on to Fel in an effort to survive their almost extinct race. Then Blood Elves are the group of elves to play for that story continuation.
If I wanted to play as the group of elves that decided against taking Fel and stuck to their Alliance comrades, then currently that's not possible to play. These are the elves of the Silver Covenant, the Highvale, the Allerian Stronghold, and any Dalarani and Stormwindian High Elves that are in service to the Alliance.
Void Elves are the group of Blood Elves who go in an entirely different direction. While the Sin'dorei are now moving towards a more Light-based society, these Ren'dorei decided instead to pursue the Void and through a freak-accident are now Void-corrupted Elves. These elves have their own separate storyline apart from both the Blood Elves and the High Elves. If I wanted to play this Void-stricken storyline then I'd play Void Elves.
We see no major High Elf groups like the ones listed above joining their storylines into the Void Elves. Therefore that storyline for players isn't available and they wish it was.
Now whether it should or shouldn't be playable is another question entirely, and up for debate. But hopefully this clears up, in what I personally think, is why I see others asking for High Elves.
Models can always be worked around, but the story for these guys can't. And it's not sufficient to say "oh just imagine" because then you could say "oh just imagine your orc is mag'har" or "just imagine your dark skin bronzebeard dwarf is a dark iron" or just imagine X is any Y race.
It's clear that the AR system is there to give people more character customization for their favorite races but it's also clear that story plays a big part into it too. The developers are always mentioning how the storyline that is currently happening also factors into whether a certain race will happen or not.
The vast majority of Blood Elves in-game are blonde. Lor'themar, Halduron, Kael'thas, the Silvermoon guards, and so many more. When you start a new Blood Elf, in the first room there are (approximately) 8 blonde elves and 2 redheads. I'd say it's a pretty prominent feature of Blood Elves as they appear to players.
Edit: It also comes up a lot because like Blood Elves, most of the High Elves in the game also have blonde hair.
As I said, the storylines play a big part in why certain ARs get chosen over others too and it seems to be the part of ARs that people seem to skip over or forget. And again as I said too, they are rolling out "more visually distinct races" rather than extremely similar ones. It's why Orcs got a whole bunch of clans in one and why WH Dwarves nor High Elves were the first pick. Their comment about not wanting too many ugly races on one side means it's also probably why Ogres didn't get selected immediately as well.
I stand by Ion had to give the answer based on their current plans. It was absolutely meant to manage expectations, the High Elf topics were completely everywhere throughout the various WoW communities. This response put a huge reduction on the amount of talking happening on High Elves now that people know they aren't coming anytime soon at all.
And people understand that if High Elves are too similar then there needs to be more done to differentiate them, story wise and model wise. Hence my earlier response on agreeing with the Ron Jeremy guy that High Elves will probably need more development before they can be considered to be playable and my other response that their story isn't one that can currently be continued by the players.
As for your last mention on the plan thing, it did need to be commented on because the way some posters are speaking is as if Blizzard don't know which races they're going to add in the next patch or have already added like it was something debated until the minute of their reveal. That's also why the interview asked that question, "what is the long term plan considering people are already asking for many other races" and why they answered with they already have a set plan, though they're willing to dance around it if indeed there's enough demand to make it so, citing DI dwarves as an example and using the explanations that could be applied to High Elves as well.
This actually contradicts their earlier statements in which they asked players to tell them what they'd like to see. Since having it planned out means we aren't likely going to see any of the feedback we gave since Blizzcon taken into consideration until either towards the end of this expansion or the next. They cited DI was from years of players clamoring for it, not "recently we noticed an influx of people asking for this race".
That explanation was given to say: We are going to add the races we want, but we might also (if we feel like it and see enough demand) consider what the community is asking for.
Your opinion is factually wrong. You can believe that I am wrong for stating Ion didn't rule it out, but you would be wrong in that opinion.
You don't slam the door by leaving it open. You don't let people down gently by giving false hope. If you do the first, you are an idiot. If you do the latter, you are an ass.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
–The Sith Code
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Here is something to believe in!
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
–The Sith Code
This is headcanon @Obelisk Kai and others, so don't try to compare what others and I say with things like this.
HAHA omg wow. And wtf does your kind do??? "lets add tattoos, High elves have more athletic builds, being away from the sunwell has changed them drastically, different Hair styles".
That shit isn't headcannon? Fuck you and the rest of the "High Elfers" in this thread. Literally nothing pleases you guys. Wouldn't be surprised if you bitched about actual AR High Elves because their Tattoos weren't cool enough.
Freaking toxic cancer trash.
Infracted [MoanaLisa]
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I have a hard time accepting that reason, because it's not really a fair representation of what the Blood Elves did. The vast majority of them simply stayed in Silvermoon; there was no decision to use the fel. That was done exclusively by the magisters who rebuilt the city. If the Blood Elves themselves didn't know that the magisters were using fel energy, it's hard to imagine that the elves outside of Silvermoon would have that knowledge.
The only distinction that leaves is their support for the Alliance, which I just don't think is a good enough reason. Especially considering that in most cases that distinction appears to be based on where they were when the Scourge attacked Quel'Thalas.
Of course, but that's not a contradiction. It's just that they were interested in knowing what the community would want for the long term. Anything else would just be silly; they have to have a plan.
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