“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
Hmm let's see:
- No sat images / intelligence= gg
- No hundreds of billions worth of weapons and equipment = fight with bows
- No A/A systems RAF would have got air superiority from day one and would have just bombed them into oblivion.
Wait, wait, are you actually implying that Ukraine without western help (weapons, equipment, training, intelligence, mercs, etc) would've been able to hold their own?
I've been told about the horrors that the Russian military inflicts on civilians since before I was able to walk. Nothing that has come out of Ukraine has surprised me in the slightest, and I'm loving the collective surprise Pikachu face that the West is currently having.
It's the same shit that Russia has been doing for centuries, but couple of decades of "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT, THAT'S MEAN AND RUSSOPHOBIC!" brainwashed 1,5 generations into believing that the Russian military of today is somehow different from how it has been since before none of us were even alive yet.
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You continue having the worst takes and understanding on nukes.
Maybe,,, who knows? However, it's in their interest to have a 3rd country keeping US/NATO busy.
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It's really not that expensive to own, maintain and upgrade a nuclear arsenal. Old article, have linked to you in the past, but gives a very good idea of the costs.
https://www.sipri.org/commentary/top...uclear-weapons
It doesn’t get brought up as much when Russia is still useful to them as a counter to the west and takes priority, but Russia were very much a part of the group of European nations that forced themselves upon China during what the Chinese so lovingly calls the “century of humiliation”.
That they’ve well and truly forgiven that score deep down is highly questionable when even now territories in much of Outer Manchuria ceded are still part of Russia today.
Your implication was Russia could break Ukraine's neck within days and without losing a single man. Meanwhile in the real world it took still ridiculously long for the west to actually send meaningful supplies to Ukraine, mostly because they believed the same nonsense as you did in that post from last year.
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
While aid indeed took a while because the west didn't want to send a bunch only to have Ukraine lose right away and give it all to Russia, certain western countries, including but not limited to Canada, UK, Denmark, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Sweden, have been training the Ukrainian military since 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orbital
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unifier
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
And the fact the Ukrainian military was being trained by various Western nations was not unknown back then so anyone who was making informed speculation on the course of such a war should have taken that into account.
That said, let's not pretend that we all expected Ukraine to do this well or rather for Russia to do this poorly. The general sentiment here was that it was unlikely for Russia to invade, not that it would fail at it.
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It is just crazy to see people try to redefine the past when we can just go and see past responses. It wasn't just the usual Russian shills that had that opinion, almost everyone thought that. People just thought the invasion was unlikely because it just did not make sense to anyone on either side.
So there has to be an actual response to this by the West. The more deranged vatniks are currently salivating over the fact that the Kyiv Hydroelectric Power Plant exists, and is located right upstream of the Kyiv city.
If the West does not make it clear to Putin that a deliberately caused humanitarian and ecological disaster like this is out of bounds, the Russians might actually think this viable target.
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